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Old 08-31-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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I believe it is safer to be in the military in wartime conditions under someone who wants to win the war rather than someone who doesn't care about victory.

Exhibit A - Afghanistan

Casualties under Bush from 2001-2008 - 630
Casualties under Obama from 2009 - present - 1122

There is just not the same media scrutiny and attention as there was under the predecessor.
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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We should refrain from using our military to score political points, but I get the gist of your post.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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I believe it is safer to be in the military in wartime conditions under someone who wants to win the war rather than someone who doesn't care about victory.

Exhibit A - Afghanistan

Casualties under Bush from 2001-2008 - 630
Casualties under Obama from 2009 - present - 1122

There is just not the same media scrutiny and attention as there was under the predecessor.
If you care about facts, you might appreciate that Obama has actually stepped up fighting in Afghanistan. That's why there are more casualties.

If you remember 2001, the U.S. invaded Afghanistan because they harbored al Qaeda, who attacked us. Bush quickly shifted resources from Afghanistan to fight the unneeded Iraq War. Obama put the emphasis, rightly, back to Afghanistan. There were more drone attacks in Obama's first year against al Qaeda than in all of Bush's term.

No serious person can conclude that Obama doesn't care about Afghanistan.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:02 AM
 
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Understandable, since we are now concentrating on the war we should have been fighting all along, instead of that wasteful and pointless one in Iraq.

I always supported the pacification and stabilization of Afghanistan, to the extent that was possible. Lives have and will be regrettably lost in that effort.

But at least they weren't wasted on an unnecessary and costly invasion and occupation of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11...at least until we invaded.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Quick flashback to 2007 - from the Obama campaign - Obama: U.S. Troops in Afghanistan Must Do More Than Kill Civilians


Asked whether he would move U.S. troops out of Iraq to better fight terrorism elsewhere, he brought up Afghanistan and said, "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there."

I don't know if that's a statement of contempt or ineptness about the troops. It definitely is not supportive.

And has he ever really had an Afghanistan plan or strategy? He dithered around for months about sending more troops.

The evidence says that he is not interested in completing a task and getting the troops out of there.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:06 AM
 
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We should refrain from using our military to score political points, but I get the gist of your post.
It was done for eight years - now it's no longer the "in" thing to do. I wonder why?
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:10 AM
 
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No serious person can conclude that Obama doesn't care about Afghanistan.
How often does he bring it up? Give us a status report? Remind us of the goal of the troops?

I don't see or hear much from him. The military people are doing their jobs - but Obama for the most part is disengaged.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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I believe it is safer to be in the military in wartime conditions under someone who wants to win the war rather than someone who doesn't care about victory.

Exhibit A - Afghanistan

Casualties under Bush from 2001-2008 - 630
Casualties under Obama from 2009 - present - 1122

There is just not the same media scrutiny and attention as there was under the predecessor.
The candidate who campaigned on reducing troop numbers in Iraq and focusing on the war in Afghanistan reduced the number of troops in Iraq and focused on the war in Afghanistan. I can see why you would have a problem with that.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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I believe it is safer to be in the military in wartime conditions under someone who wants to win the war rather than someone who doesn't care about victory.

Exhibit A - Afghanistan

Casualties under Bush from 2001-2008 - 630
Casualties under Obama from 2009 - present - 1122

There is just not the same media scrutiny and attention as there was under the predecessor.
It is very disingenuous of you to completely ignore the fact that Bush was waging a holding action in Afghanistan when he decided to invade Iraq.
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Old 08-31-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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How often does he bring it up? Give us a status report? Remind us of the goal of the troops?

I don't see or hear much from him. The military people are doing their jobs - but Obama for the most part is disengaged.
the main one is to train the ANA which is not a easy task

Lazy Afghanistan Army - YouTube
here is the on the ground reality for the troops that are training the ANA and when US marine is there teaching them and not having your rifle with you or not putting on their gear before they go on a patrol is pretty bad.
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