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Old 09-02-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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I find this decision appalling. I really don't care what it costs, but the environment and the health of our population is too important to just abandon because somebody cries about the expense. While it may seem that doing so is great for business and is a necessary step in kick starting business into creating jobs, it's a bad move. What it means is that business can now threaten the country with no jobs or spending until it gets what it wants. Isn't that behavior typical of corporations: "We're going to make your life miserable until we get what we want"? Who's the boss here, people or business? Who runs the country, people or business? If we bend over, way over, and let business do it's, um, business to us, we forfeit our souls and our planet.

Why is the comfort of profit more desirable than clean air and deep breaths? I'd rather be unemployed (like I am now, just so you know) in Eden's garden of paradise, than be surrounded by piles of cash and a picture of a tree.

Basically I don't give an ef about what it costs to run your business. Follow the laws, respect the people and the environment, or don't do business at all. You don't have a right to run a business just as you don't have a right to be careless. The environment, the design of our lungs, these things are not adaptable, certainly not as adaptable as business. Why does anyone have to argue something so inherently logical?
This is the problem we have, people like you blindly accepting any law or regulation that the EPA and the climate lobby dream up.

We can thank our lucky stars not many of us have this attitude.......

http://junkscience.com/2011/07/29/ep...lity-overkill/

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Old 09-02-2011, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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I find this decision appalling. I really don't care what it costs, but the environment and the health of our population is too important to just abandon because somebody cries about the expense. While it may seem that doing so is great for business and is a necessary step in kick starting business into creating jobs, it's a bad move. What it means is that business can now threaten the country with no jobs or spending until it gets what it wants. Isn't that behavior typical of corporations: "We're going to make your life miserable until we get what we want"? Who's the boss here, people or business? Who runs the country, people or business? If we bend over, way over, and let business do it's, um, business to us, we forfeit our souls and our planet.

Why is the comfort of profit more desirable than clean air and deep breaths? I'd rather be unemployed (like I am now, just so you know) in Eden's garden of paradise, than be surrounded by piles of cash and a picture of a tree.

Basically I don't give an ef about what it costs to run your business. Follow the laws, respect the people and the environment, or don't do business at all. You don't have a right to run a business just as you don't have a right to be careless. The environment, the design of our lungs, these things are not adaptable, certainly not as adaptable as business. Why does anyone have to argue something so inherently logical?
As do I. As the parent of a severly asthmatic child, I find this absolutely unconscionable.
I've already voiced my disappointment to the WH.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:38 PM
 
Location: California
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We can only "respect the environment" so much before we cut our own throats. Just the fact that humans exist is enough to mess it up, nevermind the progress we've made. We have to balance things, we can't be all-in on one side or the other, that's for idiots.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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As do I. As the parent of a severly asthmatic child, I find this absolutely unconscionable.
I've already voiced my disappointment to the WH.
Oh please, those regs wouldn't have done anything for your child. All it was designed to do was bankrupt some industries.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:47 PM
 
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Oh please, those regs wouldn't have done anything for your child. All it was designed to do was bankrupt some industries.
If those industries cannot do business without further polluting the air, contaminating water, etc. then they deserve to be bankrupted.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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If those industries cannot do business without further polluting the air, contaminating water, etc. then they deserve to be bankrupted.
Those regs would have done nothing about pollution. Companies who can afford it will still pollute and be allowed to by the feds.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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As do I. As the parent of a severly asthmatic child, I find this absolutely unconscionable.
I've already voiced my disappointment to the WH.
Well, according to this report, the air is much cleaner.

Report Shows Air Quality Improved During Bush Administration | FoxNews.com

Maybe we should go off the deep end, like the EPA wanted to do and shut down industry in this nation.

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-halts-co...143731156.html

Obama halts controversial EPA regulation

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The proposed smog standard was estimated to cost anywhere between $19 billion and $90 billion, depending on how strict it would be.
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The EPA under Obama proposed in January 2010 a range for the concentration of ground-level ozone allowed in the air — from 60 parts per billion to 70 parts per billion. That's about equal to a single tennis ball in an Olympic-size swimming pool full of tennis balls.
At a cost of potentially $90 BILLION, is it worth it to destroy jobs?
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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In other words, if it weren't for the Congressional Republicans obama would have approved it.

obama has a spine that's as rigid as a willow in the wind.
Obama doesn't have one. He needs back surgery for a spine implant.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Obama doesn't have one. He needs back surgery for a spine implant.
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/03/sc...er=rss&emc=rss

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The E.P.A. following the recommendation of its scientific advisers, had proposed lowering the so-called ozone standard from that set by the Bush administration to a new stricter standard that would have thrown hundreds of American counties out of compliance with the Clean Air Act. It would have required a major effort by state and local officials, as well as new emissions controls by industries and across the country.
Get this people? In a time of severe recession, you want BILLIONS more cost for business and ultimately for the consumer?
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