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Old 09-23-2011, 08:32 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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i read the link. it only included Illinois, which is notorious for pension problems. It tells us nothing about the frequency of millionaire teachers nationwide.
Okay... look at NY, NJ, CA, MA, etc., etc...

Public employee defined benefit pensions are WAY out of control. They're easily worth $1 million+ per retiree.

Oh, and about those police...
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A fifty year-old state cop with a $100,000 pension, including a 3% automatic annual increase, will receive more than $5 million in pension payments over his 31 year life expectancy, despite contributing only about $200,000 in pension payments.”
Five-Million-Dollar Pensions Enjoyed by State Cops– Part 2 | Taxpayers United of America
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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Public employee defined benefit pensions are WAY out of control. They're easily worth $1 million+ per retiree.
Only in certain states.
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:09 AM
 
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And you can CLEARLY see which we're getting more of under Obama's admin.

Evidently, there's many here on C-D who wish to continue on down the road to failure.
this is what scares me.
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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The top 5% still do not pay enough taxes to cover the protection they recieve from the government. They probably never will.
What protection?
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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Only in certain states.
What difference does that make? The fact remains....
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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this is what scares me.
They're NOT going to like the failure they get - drastic cuts in social welfare programs, etc. ...so why the insistence on barrelling full throttle into it?
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:14 AM
 
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They're NOT going to like the failure they get - drastic cuts in social welfare programs, etc. ...so why the insistence on barrelling full throttle into it?
Implode and Collaspe the economy is the goal.

Obama is determined to make America like Argentina...bankrupt chaos.
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:19 AM
 
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Implode and Collaspe the economy is the goal.

Obama is determined to make America like Argentina...bankrupt chaos.
The classes are WAY more stratified in Argentina than they are here. Ever see the slums in Argentina? That's what liberals want?
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:41 AM
 
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A $1 million retirement pension saved up over a lifetime of working is not that much.

Running the numbers through a 401k calculator, if you made $40k and put way 5% from ages 20 through 60 while getting an 8% return, (and averaging 5% raises each year) you'd have roughly $1 million, even without an employer match.



$1 million is on the very low end of what I'd think people should have saved up right before they retire.
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Old 09-23-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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A $1 million retirement pension saved up over a lifetime of working is not that much.

Running the numbers through a 401k calculator, if you made $40k and put way 5% from ages 20 through 60 while getting an 8% return, (and averaging 5% raises each year) you'd have roughly $1 million, even without an employer match.
401k's don't guarantee an 8% return. The problem with the unions' defined benefit pensions is that when that 8% return doesn't exist, the money to PAY those pensions isn't there, either.

And 5% raises each year? What planet are YOU living on?
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