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Old 09-23-2011, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Greer
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
401k's don't guarantee an 8% return. The problem with the unions' defined benefit pensions is that when that 8% return doesn't exist, the money to PAY those pensions isn't there, either.

And 5% raises each year? What planet are YOU living on?
8% returns are well below the long-term average of the stock market and I don't think it's an unreasonable number over a 40 year time span.

And if you change my numbers to have an average 1% annual raise and run it from age 20 to 65, you still have over $1 million.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:26 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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8% returns are well below the long-term average of the stock market and I don't think it's an unreasonable number over a 40 year time span.
Really? What has been the average rate of return for the last 10 years?

Would you be surprised to learn it's only 3.1%?
Observations: Average Stock Market Return Since 19xx

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And if you change my numbers to have an average 1% annual raise and run it from age 20 to 65, you still have over $1 million.
1% raise? Who's getting raises?

...Besides union members, that is?
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Greer
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Really? What has been the average rate of return for the last 10 years?

Would you be surprised to learn it's only 3.1%?
Observations: Average Stock Market Return Since 19xx
That might be relevant if we were talking about 10 year periods and not 40 or 45 year periods.
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
I was never hired to do a job by a poor man.
I was but the pay was rather low
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Old 09-23-2011, 02:55 PM
 
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They also make a lot more than the middle class.
So what?

They still pay more....much more.

Sorry for your failure as a wage earner.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by Cletus Awreetus-Awrightus View Post
So you don't have any data either?

Jesus you people are innumerate.
Well, you can just keep your little secrets to yourself, this way you can pump up your self image and be the only smart one in the room.

We do not live in a caste system, there is no freaking middle class. In my own family i have siblings doing everything from teaching, nursing, engineer, architects and medical doctors, some earn $40,000 a year, and others are making well over $200,000 a year. We grew up in a single parent family where my mother earned minimum wage jobs. So go stuff your Marxist ideology and your attempts to label us all.
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Old 09-23-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That might be relevant if we were talking about 10 year periods and not 40 or 45 year periods.
What makes you think returns will be any greater than ~3-ish% in the future? World economies aren't exactly tickety-boo, you know?
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Old 09-24-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Interesting facts:

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- Reducing the income tax on top earners is one of the most inefficient ways to grow the economy according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office
- 44% of Congress people are millionaires
- The tax cuts were never meant to be permanent
- Letting tax cuts for the top 2% expire as scheduled would pay down the debt by $700 billion over the next 10 years
Patriotic Millionaires For Fiscal Strength

With 44% of Congress being millionaires, no wonder they fight so hard to go against what the majority of Americans believe is the right and fair thing to do to help our country in this time of economic crisis.
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Old 09-24-2011, 06:15 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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So much for obama's garbage bile about the "rich" not paying their fair share.

But we knew all along he was lying. All one has to do is go to the IRS website and look at the numbers.

FACT CHECK: Are rich taxed less than secretaries? - Yahoo! News



That's got to hurt - when the media finally gets around to doing their job regarding obama's statements - they find he is not at all honest.
POTUS was probably talking about percentage of income earned paid for federal income tax , in that case he's probably right.
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Old 09-24-2011, 08:52 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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POTUS was probably talking about percentage of income earned paid for federal income tax , in that case he's probably right.
Now "The One" cannot say what he really means? What a surprise that the 0-bamaphhiles have to try to translate.

Pure spin.
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