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Taken together, these measures amount to the solution that the Israeli government seeks, one revealed in a series of maps drawn up by Israeli politicians, cartographers, and military men over recent years that show Palestine broken into isolated islands (often compared to South African apartheid-era "bantustans") on only about 40% of the West Bank. At the outset of Oslo, Palestinians believed they had made a historic compromise, agreeing to a state on 22% of historic Palestine — that is, the West Bank and Gaza. The reality now is a kind of "ten percent solution," a rump statelet without sovereignty, freedom of movement, or control of its own land, air, or water. Palestinians cannot even drill a well to tap into the vast aquifer beneath their feet. (end)
Didn't the United States and Israel both support the apartheid regime in South Africa?
I wonder about this from time to time. Maybe it's just because the baby Jesus was born there? Christianity is as deep-rooted in America's culture as anything else after all, and many of our most powerful leaders (past, present and future) are christian.
It's interesting that you point that out. It's incorrect Theology just as incorrect as the over 1000 year persecution of the Jewish people because they were responsible for Christ's hanging on the cross.
Errors come full circle. Firstly the Christians believed the Jews were cursed by God and now the Christians think God has some special dispensation for them.
If you keep in mind that the vast majority of the UN are dictators, socialist and Islamic theocracies then you get why Israel and the USA get no love.
And yet Canada doesn't seem to have the same problem. How about sweden?
It can't possably be because of a very biased double standard?
case in point Israel invades Lebanon. Russia gets the snot our of Georgia.
basically same exact reasons given. They killed some of our soldiers.
We whole heartedly support Israel's slaughter of civilians. Make excuses try to sygar coat it etc.
Russia we condemn. The fact that their soldiers that were killed were part of peace keeping mission seemed to be ignored.
Same excuse Russia killed far fewer civilians.
Now I really hate sticking up for Russia in any way shape or form. But the reason no one trusts us in that region is because of the double standard that we don't even try to hide.
hell we hide and sugar coat it when Israel kills our own citizens.
I love the excuses. Well Israel is our friend.
How do you know?
Well Israel is our ally.
What makes them our ally?
Well Israel is our friend.
LOL No Israel may share some common agenda with us but they are only a friend when it suits their purposes.
How many times have we caught them spying on us?
USS Liberty?
Personally I mostly support Israel but has nothing at all to do with my Christian beliefs. Firstly, the country is a democracy. The people are free in that country and the enemies they face are almost all dictatorships where there is zero freedom. I admire the way they have developed their country against all odds. The Arab peoples who controlled the country for a thousand years developed nothing at all and when the first Zionists went to the land it was a wasteland.
We have great concerns about our security and the fear of terrorists attacking our country's. How about being surrounded by sworn enemies outnumbering you by 50 to 1. These enemies have sworn to wipe your country off the map and have tried on various occasions to do so.
If anything, Canada's support of Israel is even stronger than the USA and I can assure you it has nothing to do with Christianity.
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This is a new theology. Nothing like this was believed by Christians for the first 1800 years of the church and outside of the USA it is still not a commonly held belief. It's not for a good reason. It's wrong to the point of heresy. Anyone who can claim the bible teaches such a thing does not know the basics of Christian Belief.
The new Testament is so crystal clear on the subject. When it talks about "Israel, it's talking about the new Israel, God's chosen people, The people of the promise, His adopted, His children and so on. This is the Church and not some secular nation that happens to inhabit the territory of Ancient Israel. The nation of Israel as it existed as God's special example to the world and as it's purpose to bring forth Jesus as the saviour of all is over. That nation no longer exists and it never will exist again. The temple is destroyed, the Aaronic priesthood is destroyed, the records of the generations are destroyed. Did you know that it's impossible to even have a livitical priesthood without the records of the generations? You must be a desendent of Aaron period. Nothing else cuts it.
So forget this really really ignorant idea that somehow this little middle east country that is inhabited mostly by people who are more European that anything else is in some way special to God and that God has some special plan for them. The idea is unbiblical, totally wrong, heritical, and a figment of the imaginations of people who like to make up thier own theology.
Claim what you will, but I've been a Bible teacher/preacher for 30-years and can assure you that what I reported is exactly what the Bible says (without 'spiritualizing' the 'new Israel') -- I'm not suggesting that we fully understand everything in the Bible, including the End Time prophecy, but, for whatever reason, the nation of Israel has been the recipient of God's untold blessings down through the ages ... and even today. I further believe that the U.S. has been blessed in many ways by God, as a direct result of our support of Israel (It is certainly not because we remain a 'Christian nation' ... since, the U.S. has largely become a pagan nation ... and 'Christian' in name only).
Claim what you will, but I've been a Bible teacher/preacher for 30-years and can assure you that what I reported is exactly what the Bible says (without 'spiritualizing' the 'new Israel') -- I'm not suggesting that we fully understand everything in the Bible, including the End Time prophecy, but, for whatever reason, the nation of Israel has been the recipient of God's untold blessings down through the ages ... and even today. I further believe that the U.S. has been blessed in many ways by God, as a direct result of our support of Israel (It is certainly not because we remain a 'Christian nation' ... since, the U.S. has largely become a pagan nation ... and 'Christian' in name only).
How can you possibly say such a thing. "Israel, the recipient of God' untold blessings down through the ages".
If anything the nation of Israel has been the recipient of God's untold cursing down through the ages. After the final distruction of the temple and temple worship in 70 AD the Jewish people were dispersed through out the world where they were the object of severe repression. Think about the Jews and the Nazis and then tell me about God's blessing on the Jewish people. Even before Christ while the Jews were still the people of God they certainly suffered more judgements from God as a nation than they ever enjoyed blessings.
You say you are a bible teacher? Frankly, I have a great amount of trouble believing that.
One of the main lessons of the bible is that there is NO nation that can please God. In order to do so the nation would have to obey God's Law. When Moses went up the mountain, how long did it take for the people to fall into idolatry? Even when the Lord dwelled right with the people they still could not obey His commands. The entire Histoy of Israel is one of disobedience and rebellion against God. The children of Israel's covenants with God were dependent on them remaining true believers. They never did and so therefore earned the wrath of God and that wrath is more than amply illustrated in the OT.
In the sermon on the mount, Jesus goes into great detail, who are the blessed. Those He describes in that sermon are the blest. There are no other. He is not describing any nation, God had already shown that is an impossibility. He is describing the Christian and no other.
"The church universal" is called "a holy nation". That is a spiritual nation composed of all the believers of all time". That is the only nation blessed by God and there will never be another.
Jewish Americans are in the highest echelons of all the nations corporations and govt positions. They are overwhelmingly the richest and most sucessful Americans. They happen to work hard in education and business. Most Jewish Americans have a great deal of concern and affection for Israel, and rightly so given recent history. I don't think you can lump all Jewish campaign donors into a block that demands Israel get special treatment. Maybe some do, but not all. Many Jewish Americans have a more nuanced view of foreign policy viz a vis Israel. Not everything is black and white for them and many don't believe that Israel can do no wrong. It seems to me it is the crazy right wing religious that have the stark black and white view. They don't seem to think in terms of not everything in life is black and white.
Foothold? It is about the only country in the middle east that we do not have a military base.
The entire country of Israel is a U.S. mlitary base; equipped with FREE F-15, F-16 Fighter Jets, F-18 Fighter Jets, ...M-1 Abram Tanks, Predator Drones, Nuclear Missiles, Patriot Missiles, Advance Satellites...you name it.
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The entire country of Israel is a U.S. mlitary base; equipped with FREE F-15, F-16 Fighter Jets, F-18 Fighter Jets,...M-1 Abram Tanks, Predator Drones,Nuclear Missiles, Patriot Missiles, Advance Satellites...you name it.
Let me name it - as usual, you are wrong, misguided, and misleading others. (But the internet is a perfect medium for such posts, by right and left wing propagandists). However, even in enthusiastic anti Israeli outbursts, the factual truth should be somehow respected.
If the UN sought to recognize a Latino state, it would be racist.
If the UN sought to recognize an Anglo state, it would be racist.
If the UN sought to recognize a black state, it would be racist.
So how exactly is it not racist to recognize a "Jewish" state?
When it is racism that drives a people to create their own state in the first place. Racism against them that is. Racism that saw the expulsion, persecution and state sanctioned extermination of nearly half their population.
If you want to blame someone for what's happening to the Palestinians in the middle east look to Europe and Russia. No Holocaust, no Israel. Simple as that!
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