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Old 09-30-2011, 04:26 PM
 
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The most amazing aspect of this debate is that it certainly has crossed the traditional C-D political lines.
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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The most amazing aspect of this debate is that it certainly has crossed the traditional C-D political lines.
Speak for yourself. You and a tiny fraction of liberal posters have found a cause with the most mouth breathing, knuckle dragging right wingers here.

That should set off alarms right there.
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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According to the news, Anwar al-Awlaki was seeking nerve gas, presumed to be used against the U.S.

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Robert M. Chesney, a law professor at the University of Texas who specializes in national security law, said he believed the killing was legal. But he said it was “plenty controversial” among legal specialists, with experts on the left and on the libertarian right who are deeply opposed to targeted killings of Americans.

The administration’s legal argument in the case of Mr. Awlaki, Mr. Chesney said, appears to have three elements: First, Mr. Awlaki posed an imminent threat to the lives of Americans; second, he was fighting with the enemy in the armed conflict; and third, there was no feasible way to arrest him. NY Times
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:43 PM
 
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Legal opinion on the Al-Awlaki killing from the same Administration that claims they Libya military action was legal.

And Chesney headed up Obama's "Detainee Policy Task Force" ...which has held prisoners in Gutanamo for coming up 10 years now without "charges" let alone a trial....LOL

Wow! So impressive.
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Legal opinion on the Al-Awlaki killing from the same Administration that claims they Libya military action was legal.



Wow! So impressive.
Ok, so if you don't think that the U.S. should have killed a terrorist who was seeking nerve gas to use against the people of the United States, sue President Obama for exceeding his authority. I think if the President didn't take such action, it would be an abdication of his responsibility -- and you can bet that if Obama didn't, the right-wing would be the first saying he was 'soft on terrorism.'

In other words, whatever action Obama takes, the right with Bit^^ and complain about him. Their outrage should just be ignored.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:06 PM
 
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Ok, so if you don't think that the U.S. should have killed a terrorist who was seeking nerve gas to use against the people of the United States, sue President Obama for exceeding his authority. I think if the President didn't take such action, it would be an abdication of his responsibility -- and you can bet that if Obama didn't, the right-wing would be the first saying he was 'soft on terrorism.'

In other words, whatever action Obama takes, the right with Bit^^ and complain about him. Their outrage should just be ignored.
I'm as liberal as they come and do not know of any liberal pundits or left leaning liberal legal scholars that agree with Obama.

This is not coming from the "right" alone....this is coming from every ideology that respects the rule of law.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I give credit where credit is due. our troops are succeeding inspite of our elected reps best efforts to make the task more challegning.
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:31 PM
 
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I posted a relatively long and reasoned piece on the legal issues surrounding the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki but I still feel that their is room for a thread to recount the numerous victories that have occurred under both the Bush and Obama administrations of dispatching members of al Qaeda from the face of the planet. That isn't to say that a serious debate about how the war on al Qaeda is or should be conducted, but there should be a place where we can talk about the successes.
Define success.

Was the CIA successful when they created Al Qaeda? Or, are they now successful for taking out Al Qaeda leaders? Or, is Obama successful for arming Al Qaeda in Libya?

Does the means justify the end?
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Old 09-30-2011, 05:43 PM
 
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Speak for yourself. You and a tiny fraction of liberal posters have found a cause with the most mouth breathing, knuckle dragging right wingers here.

That should set off alarms right there.
Why are you calling mr. Catto a mouth-breathing knuckle dragger?
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Old 09-30-2011, 06:12 PM
 
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Yet you, and others repeatedly ignore both the Constitution, international law and supporting Supreme Court decisions all of which point to a legal frame work for using deadly force against enemy combatants, lawful or otherwise.



If the violation is indeed against those principles, but principles are based upon the law, and I have yet to see anyone cite a law or a sacrosanct principle which precludes the killing of a enemy combatant who threatens the lives and security of the country based upon the facts of the actions taken (which we are still unclear of).
You support Government Say-So murder!
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