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Glen Greenwald would be considered a leftist by most folks. One I happen to agree with on this issue. So, for those of you claiming no one on the left is decrying this action...here you go:
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It was first reported in January of last year that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens whom the President had ordered assassinated without any due process, and one of those Americans was Anwar al-Awlaki. No effort was made to indict him for any crimes (despite a report last October that the Obama administration was "considering" indicting him). Despite substantial doubt among Yemen experts about whether he even has any operational role in Al Qaeda, no evidence (as opposed to unverified government accusations) was presented of his guilt. When Awlaki's father sought a court order barring Obama from killing his son, the DOJ argued, among other things, that such decisions were "state secrets" and thus beyond the scrutiny of the courts. He was simply ordered killed by the President: his judge, jury and executioner. When Awlaki's inclusion on President Obama's hit list was confirmed, The New York Times noted that "it is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing."
-------- What's most striking about this is not that the U.S. Government has seized and exercised exactly the power the Fifth Amendment was designed to bar ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law"), and did so in a way that almost certainly violates core First Amendment protections (questions that will now never be decided in a court of law). What's most amazing is that its citizens will not merely refrain from objecting, but will stand and cheer the U.S. Government's new power to assassinate their fellow citizens, far from any battlefield, literally without a shred of due process from the U.S. Government. Many will celebrate the strong, decisive,tough President's ability to eradicate the life of Anwar al-Awlaki -- including many who just so righteously condemned those Republican audience members as so terribly barbaric and crass for cheering Governor Perry's execution of scores of serial murderers and rapists -- criminals who were at least given a trial and appeals and the other trappings of due process before being killed.
From an authoritarian perspective, that's the genius of America's political culture.
Glen Greenwald would be considered a leftist by most folks. One I happen to agree with on this issue. So, for those of you claiming no one on the left is decrying this action...here you go:
can anyone on the 'left' imagine how this will be used when the opposing party is in charge? wonder if it ever crosses the minds of people in both parties ie what the federal administration from the opposite party will do with the new powers they usurped from the states and the people?
I think we have to look at this, no question. At no time should such action be taken lightly, but in the real world, the constitution has been trampled like this before. Greenwald wasn't the first, surely you can't believe that. He most likely won't be the last either.
That said, this happens few and far between. In the real world our government will have to take some actions like this to resolve a problem, and its plain to see that al-Awlaki was a problem.
Our government must be flexible, or it won't survive. But that doesn't mean we don't hold these kinds of actions up to scrutiny.
Welcome to Barack Obama's America. Where killing American's in foreign lands without due process is OK and holding trials of foreign terrorists in our own courtrooms instead of military tribunals is the preferred method of justice.
How do Liberals look at themselves in the mirror each morning? More importantly, how did you folks get so insanely stupid?
I think we have to look at this, no question. At no time should such action be taken lightly, but in the real world, the constitution has been trampled like this before. Greenwald wasn't the first, surely you can't believe that. He most likely won't be the last either.
That said, this happens few and far between. In the real world our government will have to take some actions like this to resolve a problem, and its plain to see that al-Awlaki was a problem.
Our government must be flexible, or it won't survive. But that doesn't mean we don't hold these kinds of actions up to scrutiny.
Very troubling! How far are you willing to FLEX? Where do you draw the line?
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Welcome to Barack Obama's America. Where killing American's in foreign lands without due process is OK and holding trials of foreign terrorists in our own courtrooms instead of military tribunals is the preferred method of justice.
How do Liberals look at themselves in the mirror each morning? More importantly, how did you folks get so insanely stupid?
WOW!!!! how deluded...Little Bush and the neo-Cons got the ball rolling and yet you assign no blame to anyone but the current Admin?Turn FAUX off,get out of your bubble and enjoy some fresh air...it will do you good
Welcome to Barack Obama's America. Where killing American's in foreign lands without due process is OK and holding trials of foreign terrorists in our own courtrooms instead of military tribunals is the preferred method of justice.
How do Liberals look at themselves in the mirror each morning? More importantly, how did you folks get so insanely stupid?
Hold the phone. Did awlawki renounce his U.S. citizenship?
Hard to give someone their due process when they are hiding in a friendly foreign country planning attacks of mass destruction...Hell Fire drones are their judge jury and well deserved due process....
Hard to give someone their due process when they are hiding in a friendly foreign country planning attacks of mass destruction...Hell Fire drones are their judge jury and well deserved due process....
Yes, I agree. But, do you understand why its ok to question said action?
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