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She started a movement that resulted in Bank of America backing off their intention to start charging a monthly debit card fee. That's pretty impressive. Sounds like she has already accomplished something of note with her life. What have you done that's comparable?
You are berating an entire generation for the way they were raised, as if it is their fault. The only thing missing from your post is, "Hey, kid! Get off my lawn!"
Every generation makes this accusation about the ones coming behind it. Here's a great quote, generally attributed to Socrates, that illustrates the point:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
And yet, every generation seems to manage to somehow step up when it's their turn. Get off your high horse. Your generation, whichever one that is, is no better than any other.
Did you read the OP? Do you not see the erosion of personal responsibility in this girls' attitude? Which generation can you attribute an equal share of this same attitude? Answer that for me, and we'll move to the next point of contention.
Did you read the OP? Do you not see the erosion of personal responsibility in this girls' attitude? Which generation can you attribute an equal share of this same attitude? Answer that for me, and we'll move to the next point of contention.
The OP started a post to ridicule a young woman who had a good idea that caught on, and used that to launch a diatribe against her because she is worried about being able to pay back her student loans. There are scores of young people in the same position, because, in case you have been living in a cave, there are no jobs out there. Show me another generation that faced this kind of unemployment since the 1930s.
But in direct answer to your question, here you go. Seems like personal responsibility wasn't high on the list for people who graduated in the 70s and 80s either:
"During the 1980s federal student loan default rates increased significantly. For example, in FY1988, the national student loan cohort default rate was 17.2%, and increased to an all time high of 22.4% in FY1990. As a result, the federal government was assuming a large share of the burden associated with the defaulted loans."
Sounds like an "erosion of personal responsibility" to me, what do you think? Every generation thinks they are so much better than the ones that follow, but history doesn't bear that out.
The OP started a post to ridicule a young woman who had a good idea that caught on, and used that to launch a diatribe against her because she is worried about being able to pay back her student loans. There are scores of young people in the same position, because, in case you have been living in a cave, there are no jobs out there. Show me another generation that faced this kind of unemployment since the 1930s.
But in direct answer to your question, here you go. Seems like personal responsibility wasn't high on the list for people who graduated in the 70s and 80s either:
"During the 1980s federal student loan default rates increased significantly. For example, in FY1988, the national student loan cohort default rate was 17.2%, and increased to an all time high of 22.4% in FY1990. As a result, the federal government was assuming a large share of the burden associated with the defaulted loans."
Sounds like an "erosion of personal responsibility" to me, what do you think? Every generation thinks they are so much better than the ones that follow, but history doesn't bear that out.
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Good lord, how do you have the energy to be angry about this person with all that's going on?
Because she represents evertything that is wrong with this new generation of entitled and clueless young adults and specifically bears a mighty close resemblance to the 1000's of goons protesting in the streets of OWS. She does NOT respresent the responsible. She represents the losers who are waiting for a handout. Her attitude is a sad commentary on this nation. I'm guessing you haven't been following all the idiocy surrounding OWS, right? Otherwise you'd know exactly what i'm talking about.
So what....She had a "good idea that caught on." That does not absolove her from her hopelessly irresponsible attitude towards her personal obligations, just like being obtuse does not absolve you from ignoring the concerns that I posted in the OP. You can disagree, but you can't ignore it because on its face it strikes a responsible person as ass backwards, and you know it.
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So what....She had a "good idea that caught on." That does not absolove her from her hopelessly irresponsible attitude towards her personal obligations, just like being obtuse does not absolve you from ignoring the concerns that I posted in the OP. You can disagree, but you can't ignore it because on its face it strikes a responsible person as ass backwards, and you know it.
Ah, so I provided proof that other generations before her have been equally irresponsible, which you pointedly ignore, and then you accuse me of being obtuse? You don't want a discussion, you merely want to rant.
Ah, so I provided proof that other generations before her have been equally irresponsible, which you pointedly ignore, and then you accuse me of being obtuse? You don't want a discussion, you merely want to rant.
Student loan default rates do not necessarily represent personal irresponsibility. Did you hear me say that she was irresponsible because she defaulted? No, because she presumably has not defaulted. Further, you've painted yourself in the corner because you yourself used the "no jobs" excuse for being concerned about paying for her loans. Could that not have been the reason for the default rates in the 80's? Of course it could, but you didn't think that far ahead.
You're right, I am not interested in tit-for-tat "they did this, so we can too" arguments. The fact remains that you know exactly what i'm talking about, you just refuse to acknowledge it because it apparently hits way too close to home for you.
Student loan default rates do not necessarily represent personal irresponsibility. Did you hear me say that she was irresponsible because she defaulted? No, because she presumably has not defaulted. Further, you've painted yourself in the corner because you yourself used the "no jobs" excuse for being concerned about paying for her loans. Could that not have been the reason for the default rates in the 80's? Of course it could, but you didn't think that far ahead.
You make no sense here. You seem willing to excuse the '80s generation for default of their loans because there may not have been jobs, but all someone from this generation has to do is worry out loud about the same thing (which is what the OP posted that started this conversation) and according to you, they are irresponsible and looking for a hand out. That's part of what the OWS is about--the lack of opportunity facing this generation due to the greed of those in power in the generations that came before it.
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You're right, I am not interested in tit-for-tat "they did this, so we can too" arguments. The fact remains that you know exactly what i'm talking about, you just refuse to acknowledge it because it apparently hits way too close to home for you.
It doesn't hit close to home for me at all. I paid off my student loans years ago. But I get it, you hate OWS and all it stands for, and therefore feel the need to paint an entire generation as worthless because they face circumstances beyond their control. Your attitude is part of the problem. Not that you will ever understand that.
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