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It's indeed a bad idea to base policies on who's got the biggest wallet and loudest/meanest lobbyists. Policies should be based on science, facts, morals, etc.
There are murderers in the Tea Party, does that mean every TP member is a murderer, too?
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I hope the OWS people get organized and thus donations so they can hire PI's to investigate bankers and managers in return, I am sure there is a lot of dirt just waiting to be unearthed
They have been investigated in the past and some are being investigated today. Ever heard of Solyndra? Oh, that's right, that's a Liberal and Obama pet project, and a "green energy" company at that, so all the accusations against it must be just a Right-wing conspiracy, or at the very least, a Right-wing over-reaction!
The big fear by the big banks is that the Tea Party and OWS movement will band together on the issue of big banks. There is a nexus between the two on the issue. That would be a wonderful thing.
As far as corporations having 1st amendment rights, please show me that in the constitution or the proposition that corporations are people.
Please show us where abortion is a right to privacy in the Constitution? Or where we are allowed to give money to foreign countries? Or where the President can use the military without a declaration of war?
Why are union members granted certain rights at the expense other people's rights? Where does the Constitution allow that?
They have been investigated in the past and some are being investigated today. Ever heard of Solyndra? Oh, that's right, that's a Liberal and Obama pet project, and a "green energy" company at that, so all the accusations against it must be just a Right-wing conspiracy, or at the very least, a Right-wing over-reaction!
Statistics. Any larger organization has killers, rapists, etc. among its members and followers, be it the TP, the Catholic Church, IBM etc. I don't know their names, but they are there, simply because of statistics.
I am not partisan, I don't care which party a criminal belongs to, if they did something wrong, they need to be sanctioned. Having said this, I am pretty sure there is more dirt to be unearthed among CEO's, managers, bankers, etc. (the psychopath caste) than among OWS followers... When that company says they want to discredit members of the OWS movement, I say, if they want mud-slinging, they shall have it. Let's see who has more to lose...
Statistics. Any larger organization has killers, rapists, etc. among its members and followers, be it the TP, the Catholic Church, IBM etc. I don't know their names, but they are there, simply because of statistics.
I am not partisan, I don't care which party a criminal belongs to, if they did something wrong, they need to be sanctioned. Having said this, I am pretty sure there is more dirt to be unearthed among CEO's, managers, bankers, etc. (the psychopath caste) than among OWS followers... When that company says they want to discredit members of the OWS movement, I say, if they want mud-slinging, they shall have it. Let's see who has more to lose...
Statistics? Then provide them. Or at least provide an example of a TP member that is a murderer or rapist. With the OWS, we have plenty of video and police reports of their crimes. Where are the same for a Tea Party member? If you have one, than I'll concede that point.
Statistics? Then provide them. Or at least provide an example of a TP member that is a murderer or rapist. With the OWS, we have plenty of video and police reports of their crimes. Where are the same for a Tea Party member? If you have one, than I'll concede that point.
As I said, it is about statistics. In the US for instance the homicide rate is roughly 5 cases per 100k people. So if you have an organization with millions of members/follower you automatically end up with a certain number of killers, but also rapists, child abusers etc. Any organization reflects society as a whole. We have seen that with all the child abuse cases in the Church, which is the last place one might expect something like that because of all the moral bla bla bla.
As I said, it is about statistics. In the US for instance the homicide rate is roughly 5 cases per 100k people. So if you have an organization with millions of members/follower you automatically end up with a certain number of killers, but also rapists, child abusers etc. Any organization reflects society as a whole. We have seen that with all the child abuse cases in the Church, which is the last place one might expect something like that because of all the moral bla bla bla.
Then provide the statistics. If you don't, then I'll just disregard your posts and not respond to you any more. If you can provide a source that has a statistic or number of how many TP members are murderers or rapists, then fine.
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[SIZE=3]"o The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) reports a total of 94,607 priests for the period 1960-2002. When we look at the time period covered by the CARA database, the number of priests with allegations of sexual abuse is 4,127. Thus, the percentage of priests accused for this time period is 4.3% if we rely on the CARA figures assessing the total number of priests.[/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]"o If we examine the differences between diocesan and religious priests, then our numbers result in a total of 4.3% of diocesan priests with allegations of abuse and 2.5% of religious priests with allegations of abuse. The CARA numbers yield a total of 5% of diocesan priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse and 2.7% of religious priests from 1960-1996 with allegations of abuse.[/SIZE]
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Now there you have the statistics for the Catholic Church. Now if you have statistics on the number of murderers and/or rapists in the TP, then please provide them.
You don't understand the logic of this. I don't have to prove any further statistics or proof. The homicide rate alone proves that there are murderers in any larger organization. How many exactly is irrelevant, whether there are 100 or 1000 murderers in the TP, who cares. The point is, there are some. The logic of the OWS critics is that anyone who supports that movement supports terrorists because it is a terrorist movement due to a few criminals in it. And that is clearly nonsense. Be grateful someone still dares to point out what is going wrong in your country
Be grateful someone still dares to point out what is going wrong in your country
Jeez, poop in the street, cost small business owners and their families and their kids a way to provide for themselves.
Bring down the economy.
Why wouldn't I be grateful?
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Ever heard of Solyndra? Oh, that's right, that's a Liberal and Obama pet project, and a "green energy" company at that, so all the accusations against it must be just a Right-wing conspiracy, or at the very least, a Right-wing over-reaction! 
