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Old 12-18-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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We are kinda sick of it. The truth is homosexuality is a pervasive neurological deformity. Not much different than being born with one leg or three arms.
That's ridiculous. It's not the same thing at all. They are not neurologically deformed. It is a life style choice.
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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They're not being oppressed for being gay, they're not being oppressed. If they don't like the SA's policies, gays don't have to have anything to do with the SA. No one is forcing them. But if the SA is not supporting gay marriage, it just gives me another reason to like them.
I would say the inability to marry ones partner based upon gender is oppression.

Opression, noun; Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

If gays everywhere were suddenly granted the right to marry, then the boycott would be frivolous and unimportant. However, since the SA is contributing to the funds of those who would like to further continue oppression of gays - I would say there is some legitimacy to their argument.
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Old 12-18-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Find an organization that doesn't discriminate against gays or anyone else; and also helps the homeless and the poor.

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If there are no local charities that manage to help the homeless and poor without having Washington lobbyists on their payroll, of course it's better to donate to the SA than to not donate at all. Happily, I've managed to locate a few here in Los Angeles.
Of course there are other organizations (and I do donate to other organizations), but I still feel guilty for not donating to the Salvation Army when they are outside of drug stores, grocery stores, etc.

Especially if I go to Walgreens or some place and park close to the door. They can see my car and can tell that I can afford to give them a few bucks. I feel like a jerk for not donating anything. I typically don't carry cash so I usually don't, but when I have some dollar bills, I'm still going to donate unless the organization is doing something egregious.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:00 PM
 
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That's ridiculous. It's not the same thing at all. They are not neurologically deformed. It is a life style choice.

Talk about blinding ignorance.

Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to get married or remain single is a "lifestyle choice." Choosing to have kids or remain child free is a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to be attracted to the opposite or same sex is orientation. One can be gay and celibate, straight and celibate. "Swinging" is a lifestyle choice. Monogamy is a lifestyle choice. A 40 year old, single lesbian living alone with 4 cats has made the SAME "lifestyle choice" as a 40 year old, single straight woman living alone with 4 cats.


WHY are these concepts so hard to grasp?
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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Talk about blinding ignorance.

Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to get married or remain single is a "lifestyle choice." Choosing to have kids or remain child free is a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to be attracted to the opposite or same sex is orientation. One can be gay and celibate, straight and celibate. "Swinging" is a lifestyle choice. Monogamy is a lifestyle choice. A 40 year old, single lesbian living alone with 4 cats has made the SAME "lifestyle choice" as a 40 year old, single straight woman living alone with 4 cats.


WHY are these concepts so hard to grasp?
I may have some different ideas about the origin of homosexuality, but here we certainly agree. Nobody would choose to be homosexual. Even in today's world.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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No, they have NOT had it like the blacks did. You can walk down the street and no one knows you're gay. A black person walking down the street, everyone knew and knows they are black. They were killed because of the color of their skin, something that everyone can see without knowing a thing about the person.

Are you implying that gays have something about them that everyone can see, even from a distance, without ever speaking a word or declaring it out right that they are gay?
What is this all about?

Look..doesn't matter "who had it worse." If someone feels discriminated against, they should stand up and say so. How bad blacks, or gays, or anyone else has it is a meaningless topic. We live in the moment, and that's what's important.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:05 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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I would say the inability to marry ones partner based upon gender is oppression.

Opression, noun; Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or control.

If gays everywhere were suddenly granted the right to marry, then the boycott would be frivolous and unimportant. However, since the SA is contributing to the funds of those who would like to further continue oppression of gays - I would say there is some legitimacy to their argument.
My gay uncle, who has been in a relationship with a man for 20+, completely disagrees with gay marriage. He believes that it is just the people who represent the gay community's way of saying, "F*** you!" to religions who don't believe in gay marriage, because marriage is a religious based ceremony. If you look in most religions it is considered a sacrament.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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My gay uncle, who has been in a relationship with a man for 20+, completely disagrees with gay marriage. He believes that it is just the people who represent the gay community's way of saying, "F*** you!" to religions who don't believe in gay marriage, because marriage is a religious based ceremony. If you look in most religions it is considered a sacrament.
Well, we all know that your uncle's opinion trumps everyone elses. So...gays should just drop their support for gay marriage since your uncle disagrees with it.
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:09 PM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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Talk about blinding ignorance.

Sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to get married or remain single is a "lifestyle choice." Choosing to have kids or remain child free is a "lifestyle choice."

Choosing to be attracted to the opposite or same sex is orientation. One can be gay and celibate, straight and celibate. "Swinging" is a lifestyle choice. Monogamy is a lifestyle choice. A 40 year old, single lesbian living alone with 4 cats has made the SAME "lifestyle choice" as a 40 year old, single straight woman living alone with 4 cats.


WHY are these concepts so hard to grasp?
People make life style choices all the time. My family member was in love with a woman once, and wanted to marry her, then he went to college and decided he was gay. How is that not a lifestyle choice?
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Old 12-18-2011, 01:09 PM
 
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Nobody would choose to be homosexual. Even in today's world.
I dispute this. People do not chose their sexuality, but if given the opportunity - many gays would not elect to be heterosexual either if the option were possible.
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