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Old 01-12-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I was going to dispute this, but then I remember that you don't consider black people to be human beings.
You should read what that poster had to say in another thread about the First Lady.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:04 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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What you didn't learn in school....the Civil War started out as an economic war over cotton.
Yeah, and WHO exactly was going to pick it!!!
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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I really wish these types of threads would go away and never be seen. It's just so tiring to constantly read the attacks on the place I call home. It doesn't help when there is ignorance on both sides of the argument.

Anyway, the South has a long and at times difficult history. I think Southerners should not shy away from our bad times but recognize that they were indeed bad times and not try to gloss it over as anything else.

The South was an agrarian society and built upon that concept. With the crops of cotton, indigo, rice, and even tea, they saw a period of vast wealth. This was followed by a period of textile and wood mills. As globalization and imports increased, we saw those go as well. The South has struggled to find her place in this global economy and I would say that the past 50 years have been an unpheaval of change for the Southern economy. Who knows what the future will hold but the economy will continue to evolve, as with all economies, and thus far, we are seeing a pretty significant increase in industry in the South due to the lower cost of living, lower taxes, and less expensive labor.

Nonetheless, I would not want to live anywhere else and for another area to look down upon us seems to smack of hypocrisy as there is no area in this country that could be viewed as a modern day utopia. After all, everyone has a history.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:18 AM
 
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I know plenty here in Cali that do amigo. May 5th is a big day throughout the southwest.


HUGE.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Cali
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That's a myth. Sherman's troops were for the most part professional and committed far fewer excesses than other Armies in the theater.
I always tend to hear that same line about the Soviet Red army of World War II.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Center of the universe
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Hitler started out as a good guy, believe it or not. He brought Germany out of a financial depression. Many people were behind him and then he just went all wacky. The concentration camps were run by the SS. The average German soldier had no idea what was going on there. They were told what Hitler and the SS wanted them to know. They believed they were doing the right thing.

To compare soldiers of the Confederacy to Germans is not only inappropriate, but it shows that you really have no clue what you are talking about.

But that happens a lot around here.

20yrsinBranson
Wow.............just wow.............
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I was going to dispute this, but then I remember that you don't consider black people to be human beings.

Actually, that was a Northern concept. Go look at the constitution.....
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:44 AM
 
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Regardless, most people who admire Confederate leaders or who fly the Confederate flag are racists, plain and simple.
No, that's not true at all ... the only people who believe that are the woefully uninformed, which just happens to be a majority in this intellectually bankrupt society of reactionary nitwits.

Though that may be harsh, since most people rely on their childhood indoctrination as the basis for their adult views, more inquisitive minds ultimately fill the gaps of knowledge with personal study, and in our information age, failure to do so can be categorized as intellectual laziness.

In a certain ironic way, the Civil War was indeed a matter of fighting against slavery, but not as it has been mischaracterized generation after generation in our education system. The reality is, the Secession movement was about rejecting the imposition of economic and political slavery by the Federal North over the States of the South, just as most all wars are waged over power, resources, territory, and money. It really had nothing at all to do with the slavery of black African people. That was a propaganda tool used by the North to destabilize the South and foment public support for its agenda to break the secession movement. Proof of this fact can be found in the fact that Lincoln's proclamation to free the slaves only applied to the states aligned with Southern Secession, while no such freeing of slaves was imposed on the States remaining aligned with the north. Talk about blatant hypocrisy! But this is definitive proof that the Civil War was not fought to free black slaves.

Certainly, any right minded human being totally denounces the practice of slavery imposed on black people or anyone else, and such represents perhaps the greatest blight on our nation's history. Few however actually understand the nature of that history, or the fact that insofar as the American colonies were concerned, only about 5% of the black slave trade involved the colonies, while the vast majority of it occurred elsewhere around the world. The African Slave trade was a British (and Spanish) monstrosity, which was a carryover to the Colonies because that was the world paradigm at the time, having been in place for hundreds of years. The reality is, the first slaves to hit the shores of the American colonies were white slaves, in the form of generationally bred indentured servants to the British aristocracy. That's why the vast populations of black people spread all across the globe from the Caribbean, South American, Africa etc, to this day either speak with a British accent or speak Spanish.

So what was the Civil War about? It was based on the same principles which led to the declaration of independence, and the Colonial rejection of tyranny imposed on Colonial America by King George.

The Southern states at that time represented the vast majority of production and wealth of the United States at that time from agriculture. And the Federals drained that wealth from the South to finance northern industrialization, making the Northern Industrialists wealthy on the backs of the agricultural Southerners, so they finally said ... enough is enough. The principle being, the States joined the Union of their own free will by consent for the purpose of mutual benefits. When that benefit became unfairly weighted to benefit the North, the South said we have a right to withdraw our consent and choose to not be partners with you. The North said, no you don't ... you cannot leave this partnership, and so they were militarily forced to submit to Federal power.

So, in essence, the Civil War was the ultimate demonstration of hypocrisy by a Federal Government formed under the principles of sovereign independence and the rights of the people to be governed by consent, as established in the Declaration of Independence. The South said we withdraw our consent to be governed ... and the North said, we don't need your consent so long as we have more and bigger guns than you do. Absolutely the same thing that King George tried to do with the British Army in subjugating the Colonies during the revolutionary war.

So, the Civil War was the first major defeat of the very ideas and principles which was the foundation for America ... the principle of government by the consent of the governed ... and not government by force.

Had King George and his Red Coats won the revolutionary war, the American Stars and Strips would have been subject to the same ridicule as we've seen happen regarding the flag of the Confederacy. Well informed people recognize that the Southern Confederates were the second American Revolution that was defeated.

What even the most knowledgeable don't know is that the Northern victory in the Civil War was in fact the recapturing of the United States by the Rothschild Bank of England, who's agents comprised the wealthy industrialists of the North that were being rejected by the Southern States. Between the end of the revolutionary war and the beginning of the Civil War, the financial oligarchs of England infiltrated the United States federal government to do politically what they'd been unable to do militarily in the 1st Revolutionary War.

Unfortunately, the victors of war ultimately rewrite history in their favor, and so is the case with the fraud that the Civil War was fought to free black slaves. The Civil War was fought to recapture the United States, and return it to the financial slave stables of the Rothschild Empire controlling England. And after a couple of failed attempts to establish a Rothschild dominated United States Central Bank, and a few assignations later over the next 50+ years, the Rothschild Slave Masters finally were able to finalize their victory in the 2nd American Revolution with the establishment of the Federal Reserve Banks of the United States.

And as Paul Harvey would say ... that is the rest of the story.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:46 AM
 
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That's a myth. Sherman's troops were for the most part professional and committed far fewer excesses than other Armies in the theater. His men were far more professional than Lee's forces who had a habit of taking free black into slavery.
Indeed. Southerners who attempted to hide valuables, such as food, we're often shocked when their slaves immediately betrayed them by pointing the Union troops to the hidden stores, and often began following Sherman's troops in the hopes of being freed. Sadly, many of the unionists did not return the favor.

Actually,beside from Atlanta, the only real area where Union really took vengeance was South Carolina., mostly because this was the first state that had seceded, and was the most violently pro-slavery state.
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Old 01-12-2012, 11:59 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Of what exactly are you so proud? Got any specifics? What specifically makes you so proud of "Southern Heritage" and the Confederate army? Btw, I was born in and have lived my entire life in the South.

Then you should know the answers to your questions.
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