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Excellent point. It's okay to watch a movie with violence showing people graphically killing/injuring each other but a movie showing people engaged in sex is off limits .
How about toning down both. Movies made before the 60s and 70s were quite excellent and not so graphic. Try watching the old movies for awhile and see for yourself. Many people are watching old movies instead of the explicit ones coming out now in the name of entertainment.
It wasn't 1950 in 1950. Mayberry never existed anywhere but on a studio set.
I'm truly convinced that most people in this nation have confused TV with reality.
Try to convince those who lived it. 40 years ago we did not have sex saturated entertainment unless you went to a porn theatre and they were located on the sleazy edges of towns.
How about toning down both. Movies made before the 60s and 70s were quite excellent and not so graphic. Try watching the old movies for awhile and see for yourself. Many people are watching old movies instead of the explicit ones coming out now in the name of entertainment.
One needs to be toned down more than the other.
[and it isn't those movies with sexual content because the MPAA has 'effectively' addressed that through the years]
All I know is 40 years ago there was not much teen pregnancies in school.
Not according to my mother, who was in high school around 40 years ago... she said more than one girl got pregnant, they just hid it better by "suddenly moving away," or going on an extended "family vacation." I even remember a situation with our neighbors in Maryland, circa 1979-83, where the family (father being a 4-star General) was stationed overseas for coincidentally around 9 months - and came home with a new baby they claimed as their own. Some years later, we learned their older daughter was actually the baby's mother, and they'd faked being transferred to cover her teen pregnancy. LOL
I'm not saying teen pregnancy rates aren't high, but they've actually dropped in recent years (as many sources have shown). And how does their reading a possibly "graphic" book have anything to do with that, anyway? There are many factors involved in teen pregnancy rates, but it seems that open dialogue and education HELP rather than hinder. Pushing this stuff under the rug, and pretending kids aren't having/considering sex, will only cause more problems in my opinion.
Try to convince those who lived it. 40 years ago we did not have sex saturated entertainment unless you went to a porn theatre and they were located on the sleazy edges of towns.
Well, now we do... and thanks to the great Interwebs, you can't even blame movies and books alone for this "saturation." So unless you plan to shut down the Internet and revert all entertainment to 1950s standards, it's time to accept reality and change your approach to this matter. I've done a lot of work with teens in recent years, and they are nothing like the teens of 30+ years ago - so why treat them as such?
Well, now we do... and thanks to the great Interwebs, you can't even blame movies and books alone for this "saturation." So unless you plan to shut down the Internet and revert all entertainment to 1950s standards, it's time to accept reality and change your approach to this matter. I've done a lot of work with teens in recent years, and they are nothing like the teens of 30+ years ago - so why treat them as such?
Ah, yes the kids are different. Human nature has not changed. It is society that has changed and changed them along with it. Remember, not all change is good change.
Why treat kids any different because society has changed? Kids are kids, first and should be treated as kids always were treated in the context of things like this thread subject.
We should do everything we can to preserve their innocence, and just as schools fifty years go did, teach them about their bodily functions without titillating them in the process.
Ah, yes the kids are different. Human nature has not changed. It is society that has changed and changed them along with it. Remember, not all change is good change.
Why treat kids any different because society has changed?
Simple answer, because to do otherwise would be ineffective and possibly even harmful.
It may not be pleasant to admit, but they ARE different, they DO know more at an earlier age, thus we cannot treat today's teenagers as innocent children - as they'll just laugh or ignore us, and figure out things for themselves instead. Denial and dishonesty/silence gets you nowhere with them, trust me... on the other hand, having an open (and at times graphic) dialogue seems to work quite well in reaching them.
When I worked at an urban teen center in 2009-10, we had "round table discussions" about serious issues like sex, drugs, peer pressure, etc. There was no prompting or actual educating, just the promise of a safe place to openly discuss their feelings... and some of what they said was shocking, I admit, but it proved to be a very informative & productive exercise.
Ah, yes the kids are different. Human nature has not changed. It is society that has changed and changed them along with it. Remember, not all change is good change.
Why treat kids any different because society has changed? Kids are kids, first and should be treated as kids always were treated in the context of things like this thread subject.
We should do everything we can to preserve their innocence, and just as schools fifty years go did, teach them about their bodily functions without titillating them in the process.
I agreed with you until you discussed preserving innocence. This new western thinking of preserving innocence by shielding kids from nature is the bad change. We need to get real and stop being brainwashed to keeping kids as ignorant as we do in this country.
There's nothing wrong with children knowing all about sex as long as you've done your job as a parent and taught them to think for themselves.
Ah, yes the kids are different. Human nature has not changed. It is society that has changed and changed them along with it. Remember, not all change is good change.
Why treat kids any different because society has changed? Kids are kids, first and should be treated as kids always were treated in the context of things like this thread subject.
We should do everything we can to preserve their innocence, and just as schools fifty years go did, teach them about their bodily functions without titillating them in the process.
I was 14 some 48 years ago - by which time I, and most of my friends, had read Lady Chatterly's Lover and Peyton Place, purely because the word had got around that they contained 'sexy bits'. James Joyce's Ulysses was published in 1922 and masturbation and other sexual stuff was featured to the point where the book was banned in the USA for a few years in the 1930's until the obscenity ruling was overturned. We tried reading that book too, but found it too hard - much easier just to read the 'sexy bits' in LCL and PP again!
We had sex education in first year high school (in those days in England we started high school at age 11/12). It wasn't very informative - something about the penis being inserted into the vagina - which made it sound about as exciting as washing the dishes. When I finally experienced sex it was nothing like how it had been explained in Sex Ed class, so thank heavens for the knowledge I'd gained from LCL and PP! But it wasn't enough.
There were 450 girls in my high school, and I can recall off the top of my head at least six who became pregnant and several others who disappeared for several months. I'm sure there would have been others that I didn't know about.
I don't believe for a minute that we do early teens any favours by withholding honest and factual information about all aspects of sex.
Hate to break it to that girl's dad but she does know all about masturbation and has since she was very young, little boys do tend to "play" more than girls though, an orgasm isn't usually possible until puberty but it still feels good.
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but a movie showing people engaged in sex is off limits 
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