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Old 02-01-2012, 04:08 PM
 
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Anything that contributes to the demise of union thuggery is a good thing.

That said, right-to-work is kind of a raw deal, too. I don't think an employer should have the right to fire you because you smoke or because they find gingers offensive or you won't work 100 hours a week. There really does need to be a balance struck by which there are SOME protections besides age, gender, race, and orientation.
No there shouldn't.

Otherwise you take the rights of the business owner away and place it into the hands of the bureaucracy to which feeds off the public demand for special treatment and places us right back into the process of union thuggery.

The only way to protect an individuals rights is to completely protect ALL individuals rights, not just the select to which fits any given groups agenda. If people do not like the way a business functions, they can refuse to work for them, refuse to do business with them, and inform others as to their opinion so they can also decide if they agree. That is the extent of respecting liberty. The rest is rationalization to infringe and there is no justification for infringement.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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And with all due respect, if things keep going the way they're going, those "resonable labor laws" and balance between labor and employers will be swept aside, and die away. I'm not really a union guy, and I understand why people support right to work, but I do understand that they have played an important role in the rise of the middle class and giving workers some kind of dignity. I also believe that the only motivation that Indiana Republicans have behind this is to cripple a political foe.

I often hear the argument that "unions were useful once , but now they're not needed." I disagree. I'd sure like to know who exactly would support the rights of workers once unions are gone. Because it certainly won't be any business owner, that's for sure.

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The greatest achievement of an encroaching government is that the people are convinced that they are powerless without it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:17 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Indiana becomes 23rd right-to-work state | Reuters



Good for Indiana!

Indiana is the first state to enact right to work legislation since 2001. Hopefully other states will soon follow its lead.


Good job Indiana.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:19 PM
 
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I think you should have the right to work and not be forced into a union to have a job.
Well then you think that unions should be destroyed basically.

Because if union members are allowed not to join a union, then they will be favored for promotion, they will be used as scab labor.

In short, so called "right-to-work" laws destroy any leverage the union has in negotiating their contract.

It's so amazing the hate US citizens have for union workers trying to provide for their families.

You will not find this mentality anywhere else in the World.

Almost an entire populace that's so ignorant and lazy that they fall for right wing propaganda designed to increase corporate power and weaken workers pay/benefits/rights.

In a time where the gap between rich and poor is the greatest in our history.

Pathetically sad how ignorant US citizens are. I'd rank them having a intellect on the level of African tribal communties. Just as misinformed, no reason, no rational in their thinking.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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The greatest achievement of an encroaching government is that the people are convinced that they are powerless without it.
One of the main functions of good government is to protect the weak from being exploited by the strong. It WILL happen because power will corrupt anyone and must be checked (including the government). Therefore governments have to enact regulations to protect people from others. Britain recognized this during their industrial revolution, and we did in the early 20th century. In fact the reason we have labor laws in this country is because during the 19th century industry proved that they had NO PROBLEM exploiting workers, putting them in dangerous sweatshop conditions, and employing children to work in dangerous occupations if it fed their bottom line.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: St. Joseph Area
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Well then you think that unions should be destroyed basically.

Because if union members are allowed not to join a union, then they will be favored for promotion, they will be used as scab labor.

In short, so called "right-to-work" laws destroy any leverage the union has in negotiating their contract.

It's so amazing the hate US citizens have for union workers trying to provide for their families.

You will not find this mentality anywhere else in the World.

Almost an entire populace that's so ignorant and lazy that they fall for right wing propaganda designed to increase corporate power and weaken workers pay/benefits/rights.

In a time where the gap between rich and poor is the greatest in our history.
Basically, conservatives by and large don't think workers should have any rights whatsoever. What rights and protections have they ever supported, I wonder? Oh that's right--NONE! Unfortunately padcrasher, we're on the fast track to "developing nation" status. My grandkids will have the same standard of living that the average Mexican enjoys, sadly. I'm more certain of it by the day.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:22 PM
 
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Indiana becomes 23rd right-to-work state | Reuters



Good for Indiana!

Indiana is the first state to enact right to work legislation since 2001. Hopefully other states will soon follow its lead.

Hallelujah! Common sense in yet another state. I'm very happy for their citizens. The unions and often their thuggery is hopefully losing grips while their Communist president is in our White House.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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Pathetically sad how ignorant US citizens are. I'd rank them having a intellect on the level of African tribal communties. Just as misinformed, no reason, no rational in their thinking.
Unions had a good run. The economy is very different now than it was back in the 1920s.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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I don't think it'll make any difference. The percentage of American employees in unions is 8% and dropping. The average American worker has never been in a union, and probably won't be in a union.
But 90% of C-D posters think they are an expert on unions
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Well then you think that unions should be destroyed basically.

Because if union members are allowed not to join a union, then they will be favored for promotion, they will be used as scab labor.

In short, so called "right-to-work" laws destroy any leverage the union has in negotiating their contract.
Hey - that's a good reason to support right to work laws!
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