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Old 02-15-2012, 06:14 PM
 
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But this isn't Mississippi, or South Africa circa 1950. And he is the POTUS. So I guess the question remains...how is he anymore qualified to be black than he is white?
Please don't attempt to logically reason with this man about his arbitrary classifications. If a Swede wanted to claim he/she was black this guy would welcome them to the charade with a ceremony. One drop of black blood somewhere in a pinky toe is good enough for people like him.

However to me Obama is not black. He's mixed.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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Please don't attempt to logically reason with this man about his arbitrary classifications. If a Swede wanted to claim he/she was black this guy would welcome them to the charade with a ceremony. One drop of black blood somewhere in a pinky toe is good enough for people like him.

However to me Obama is not black. He's mixed.
But Obama identifies as black. Does your label trump his own self-identification?
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:19 PM
 
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But Obama identifies as black. Does your label trump his own self-identification?
In Thailand there are bathrooms for the third sex. Thai school adds 'third sex' bathroom for trangender students - New York Daily News
Does their self-identification really create a third sex? Is everyone what they self-identify as? Can I be an Asian man if tomorrow I wake up and proudly declare that I am?

Mine is not a label. It's the truth. No sticky philosophical issues really need to be addressed here.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Metro DC area
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In Thailand there are bathrooms for the third sex. Thai school adds 'third sex' bathroom for trangender students - New York Daily News
Does their self-identification really create a third sex? Is everyone what they self-identify as? Can I be an Asian man if tomorrow I wake up and proudly declare that I am?

Mine is not a label. It's the truth. No sticky philosophical issues really need to be addressed here.
The transgender issue does not apply here.

Neither does the Asian analogy unless there's a genetic link. Are one of your parents Chinese/Korean/Japanese etc? If so, sure you can self-identify as Chinese/Korean/Japanese.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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The transgender issue does not apply here.

Neither does the Asian analogy unless there's a genetic link. Are one of your parents Chinese/Korean/Japanese etc? If so, sure you can self-identify as Chinese/Korean/Japanese.
Thank you for identifying yourself as someone who is not swayed by the rules of logic. Cheers!
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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Thank you for identifying yourself as someone who is not swayed by the rules of logic. Cheers!
Nah, I'm just not the sanctimonious type that thinks my POV/opinion should be enforced on others.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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.....and neither is how he chooses to self identify.

Damn, since when in this country does a black person have to PROVE he's black? When did this little development begin? Used to be that if you were a little too swarthy, you might have some problems. Now, a black man can't be black even if he wants to be.

I know when it started. Sometime around November 2008.
I'm not sure what the fascination with your son's self identity is on this forum but it is a bit odd. I feel if people are of mixed ancestry they should self identify with the ancestry they feel the biggest draw to, and that's their personal decision. Who am I to question a person's personal decision to identify with whatever ancestry they want? People are always so nosy and want to dictate how people should live. I identify and am very proud of my Germanic heritage and would never let someone tell me I couldn't identify with it. I don't begrudge another man or woman the same opportunity.
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:57 PM
 
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Pardon my ignorance on this question, but how are the two mutually exclusive? I don't exactly see race and gender as competing; they're two separate constructs.
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Old 02-16-2012, 12:57 AM
 
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No one is arguing about what your son chooses to self-identify as. Any one can choose to identify themselves as whatever it is that they want. If your son wants to wake up tomorrow and "self identify" as a spotted toad...that's his individual choice. I'm sure he'll have his own reasons as you have already mentioned. But it doesn't mean the rest of us will agree with him though--and that's what's not up for debate.
That's my question that you and others simply fail to answer. When did this little development start where a black man can't be black even if he wants to be? When did white folks become the arbiters of blackness?
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:03 AM
 
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I think black women, and white women, identify race more than gender.
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