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Old 02-17-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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But most Obama followers are like him in that they think those nasty people are sitting on their money just to hurt The One.
Another clueless post.

What we know is that regulatory and tax policy have little to do with hiring decisions by businessess, small or large. The reason businesses hire employees or make other investments is because they need to expand capacity to meet demand.

If cutting taxes and letting businesses sit on record stocks of cash were the key to increased hiring the unemployment rate would be down around zero by now. One of the many things conservatives fail to understand is that the key to recovery is not tax cuts but demand, and your strategy of "starving the beast" is also starving businesses, customers, and the entire economy of the money needed to get things running again.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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"Additionally, nearly half of small-business owners point to potential healthcare costs (48%) and government regulations (46%) as reasons. One in four are not hiring because they worry they may not be in business in 12 months."

Ah, I'm guessing that this is probably partisanship talking. These are people who most likely don't like Obama anyway and are just using their non-hiring due to tough economic times and reduced revenues as an excuse to make a political statement.
True but must also be taken in context. How has this survey changed over the years? Answer: not much. Business owners always are complaining about regulations and health care costs.
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Old 02-17-2012, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Of course...no one is hiding the fact the survey results are a LIST of concerns by business. Anyone can SEE that.

It just so happens that HALF of the respondents list HC (obamacare) cost AND increased regulations as reason(s) for not hiring.

No one was arguing anything different.

I still don't see anywhere in the Gallup survey about xmas holidays.
YOU keep injecting OBAMACARE. Where in your citation did Gallup/Wells Fargo even ask that question?

You are being disingenuous, injecting obamacare into the thread title and debate. Obamacare has ZERO impact on a small business' bottom line. If anything it will offer tax xreduts to a small business offering health care.

Again, your whole concept in flawed. If EVERY company in America is required to comply with regulation X how does regulation X hurt one company harder than the guy next door????? If you are doing business on a level playing field, everyone complies with regulation X, blaming your FAILURE on regulation X is really just making excuses for your own failure to compete with your peers. Regulation X didn't kill your business, your failure to adapt to your karket caused your failure. Did Kodak fail because of obamacare "worries" or because they didn't adapt their business model to new technology fast enough? VHS vs Betamax?

Not giving customers what they want is the number one reason people leave a store.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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YOU keep injecting OBAMACARE. Where in your citation did Gallup/Wells Fargo even ask that question?

You are being disingenuous, injecting obamacare into the thread title and debate. Obamacare has ZERO impact on a small business' bottom line. If anything it will offer tax xreduts to a small business offering health care.

Again, your whole concept in flawed. If EVERY company in America is required to comply with regulation X how does regulation X hurt one company harder than the guy next door????? If you are doing business on a level playing field, everyone complies with regulation X, blaming your FAILURE on regulation X is really just making excuses for your own failure to compete with your peers. Regulation X didn't kill your business, your failure to adapt to your karket caused your failure. Did Kodak fail because of obamacare "worries" or because they didn't adapt their business model to new technology fast enough? VHS vs Betamax?

Not giving customers what they want is the number one reason people leave a store.
Not to mention that ObamaCare allows small business to offer health care in a more affordable way, allowing them to compete with the large companies, because there are tax-credits that small businesses qualify.
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Old 02-17-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Another clueless post.

What we know is that regulatory and tax policy have little to do with hiring decisions by businessess, small or large. The reason businesses hire employees or make other investments is because they need to expand capacity to meet demand.
Well...golly...gee. This is not what business told Gallup or has been telling the obama administration for well over a year.

Gosh, who to believe...you or them.

Potential HC costs = obamacare.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:01 PM
 
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Oh Gee...

Why can't you lose those last 10 pounds.

Potential Menopaus = Obamacare
Potential Thyroids = Obamacare
Potential reaching of Haagan Daas Icecream = Obamacare
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: North America
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Of course they are not going to call it by its infamous moniker. Potential HC costs have everything to do with obamacare.

I think the lefties are missing something - OBVIOUSLY the businesses polled can choose more than one reason they aren't hiring. HC cost, regulations, concern about economy, afraid they won't have a business in a year - ALL reflect poorly on obama and his policies.

Oh, please, sanrene, this is S.O.P with you. You pull something out of an article that has no relation to your OP, then try to back it up with assumptions on your part.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Well...golly...gee. This is not what business told Gallup or has been telling the obama administration for well over a year.

Gosh, who to believe...you or them.

Potential HC costs = obamacare.
if you keep smacking yourself in the head you'll need that obamacare...

well, golly gee... your bogus thread based solely on a poorly constructed headline is falling apart.

love your tactics.... ignore, dodge, duck and deflect... you're probably good at dodgeball, too.

  1. The NUMBER ONE reason small business owners were not in the process of hiring at the MOMENT they were surveyed was they didn't need additional employees. DEAL WITH THAT, so far you haven't. If you don't need new employees all other obstacles to hiring are secondary to NOT NEEDING TO HIRE.
  2. NOWHERE on the survey did it mention Obamacare (ACA) as part of the decision making process. You interjected that term into the title and the discussion for purely partisan reasons, with the sole intent to bias the discussion to follow.
  3. define OBamacare's affect on small business. What impact does it have that would prevent someone THAT NEEDS to hire from actually hiring the employees they need.
Golly Gee, I'll be waiting.
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Old 02-17-2012, 12:23 PM
 
Location: North America
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And look....only 7 percent expand because of tax credits .
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Old 02-17-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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If the USA had universal health care like the top seven countries in the index of economic freedom it would be doing far better.
Pretty sad that people cannot start a small business without them having to have expensive medical insurance for cover.

We hate the freedoms that people in the USA have, what freedoms would that be ?

Index of Economic: Promoting Economic Opportunity and Prosperity

Heritage must be a socialistic outfit
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