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Old 02-18-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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it is immoral to give money to unions so that they then go and give it to their cronies the democrats. for that sole reason unions should be abolish destroy!! they are political no more about the little guy!!
You're so wrong. Because it is a FACT that it is against the law for unions to give dues to any political campaign. To be legal, unions must set up a separate fund from which unions members can give to VOLUNTARILY. If something illegal is going on, it should be reported.

Meanwhile, I wonder why Republicans tend to leave out police and fire unions when they decide to restrict the rights of public employee unions? My guess is that it is because police and firemen prefer to give their money to the Republicans, instead of the Democrats.

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Old 02-18-2012, 10:19 AM
 
Location: #
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It doesn't and people are catching on to this.
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Old 02-18-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What bad work conditions would the government implement if unions went away ?
Why are government workers so afraid of working for their own government without a union ?

Just seems like an oxymoron to me. The government protects worker's rights yet the people who work for the government belong to a union in order to have their rights protected from the very entity that protects their rights.
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Old 02-18-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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That was a TEAbagger rally and you know it.
wow and you are a union worker must be on break agian!!!
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:09 PM
 
Location: FL
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Maybe the lack of unionization is the reason worker pay and benefits have now been flat-lined for about 30 years, in real dollars, while the executives and corporate profits are out the roof.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:12 PM
 
Location: NJ
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"Maybe the lack of unionization is the reason worker pay and benefits have now been flat-lined for about 30 years, in real dollars, while the executives and corporate profits are out the roof."

Maybe its because they gained weight.an equally likely, and just as flawed theory.
The reality is Global Trade is easy now (thanks, uniform shipping container) and robots have gotten better, so no one will make much anymore doing a rote task. We're past that as a society, so anyone doing manual labor that does not require a ton of thought is not going to see much in the way of raises. add to that, for the last 30 years, Employer Health Costs have been several times the inflation rate in terms of increased costs. So a lot of employee compensation was diverted to cover that.
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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"Maybe the lack of unionization is the reason worker pay and benefits have now been flat-lined for about 30 years, in real dollars, while the executives and corporate profits are out the roof."

Maybe its because they gained weight.an equally likely, and just as flawed theory.
The reality is Global Trade is easy now (thanks, uniform shipping container) and robots have gotten better, so no one will make much anymore doing a rote task. We're past that as a society, so anyone doing manual labor that does not require a ton of thought is not going to see much in the way of raises. add to that, for the last 30 years, Employer Health Costs have been several times the inflation rate in terms of increased costs. So a lot of employee compensation was diverted to cover that.
I'll add pension costs to your post. Not every company is making record profits. And even those multi-nationals that are making them are getting their profits from other countries, not the US so they are building plants and offices in those countries that are bringing them revenue.

Emerging nations are rising. The US won't remain top dog anymore.
We had a good run since WWII but we maxed ourselves out on many fronts.
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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What bad work conditions would the government implement if unions went away ?
Why are government workers so afraid of working for their own government without a union ?

Just seems like an oxymoron to me. The government protects worker's rights yet the people who work for the government belong to a union in order to have their rights protected from the very entity that protects their rights.
You're kidding right?

You need only look to recent cases of low echelon workers reporting malfeascance on the part of their department heads AND getting fired for their honesty to gain some perspective on this front.
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:10 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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it is immoral to give money to unions so that they then go and give it to their cronies the democrats. for that sole reason unions should be abolish destroy!! they are political no more about the little guy!!
it is immoral to give money to corporations so they can go and give it to their cronies the lobbyist republicans. for that sole reason lobbyists should be abolish destroy!! they are political no more about america!!
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Old 02-19-2012, 08:17 AM
 
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Not having right to work is an infringement of my rights. It is the tyranny of the majority. How would you (liberals) feel if you were forced to join an organization who worked on making it easier to fire you, have performance pay, and support the Republicans with donations. In addition, you would have to pay money to this organization.

If people want to join unions, then they can choose to pay money for their service. Someone claims that non-union workers get an unfair advantage, but then demand wage rises for yourself, but not for the ones who don't pay dues. Oh.. wait. Isn't that acceptable either?

If you believe some rights should be national, or statewide, then demand it from the government. It is not unions who make sure people have 4-5 weeks vacation in Europe. It is the government.
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