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Old 10-29-2007, 10:04 AM
 
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I have to disagree that we don't have the best healthcare in the United States. If, as you state, this is the case, then why do people from all over the world come to the United States for specialized healthcare? They could have gone to the other countries you mentioned - but didn't -

We DO HAVE the best -
How can we have the best system in the world if our mortality rate is what it is? Mortality, paying more and getting less. How does that equal best? Only in the twilight zone.

http://www.americanprogress.org/kf/p...tting_less.pdf

The Myth of American Health Care: The Lies That Are Killing Us
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:10 AM
 
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I don't agree about the deductibles because $4K for a family is a LOT of money for anyone who makes a regular income. Unless of course the price of seeing your General Practicioner was the same price that the insurance companies pay, not the price that they would charge for private pay. (And isn't that a funny thing.... a specialist will take $60 from the insurance company and bill the patient nothing, but, if it were a private pay, they charge $200. What's up with that?)

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People should also start going to Naturopathic Doctors who are the doctors trained in helping people actually GET RID of their chronic and degenerative diseases -- including heart disease and cancer --- by helping people strengthen their immune systems by shoeing them how they need to change their diet (at least while healing) and accelerating the process with natural medicines -- with no side effects. These doctors know how to help people get well enough so they no longer NEED their prescription drugs and can help a person get their robust health back. Once a person does this, they will qualify for the best health plans at the lowest rates! For more about Naturopathic Doctors go here Naturopathic Medicine Internet Resources
Chinese Medical Practictioners, Naturopaths, and Homeopaths offer a wide-array of services for many common things. The 'drugs' whether they be herbs, oils etc. are less toxic, less expensive, with less side effects. They are also curative for some ailments where the standard allopath methods simply mask symptoms rather than root out the problem and attempt to alleviate or cure it.

I think it would be wise to mainstream complementary medicine practices, using the best of both worlds. I also think that for general visits, nurses, physician assistants and everyone in between could be used for routine care. That would be much more cost effective and medically effective.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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How can we have the best system in the world if our mortality rate is what it is?
Did you ever stop to think that the fact that many of these birth mothers do not seek out pre-natal care? And, many are addicted to alchol and drugs?

Ever see what a crack addicted baby looks like? You should - then perhaps you might have a far better understanding of why the mortality rate is schewed
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:13 AM
 
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And there are a lot more articles about this. Just do a search on any search engine with "Americans seek better care in other countries"
Why confuse them with studies and facts. Do you think they want their biases debunked by actual research?
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I don't agree about the deductibles because $4K for a family is a LOT of money for anyone who makes a regular income.
Are you suggesting that "we" pay absolutely nothing out of our pockets for our health care? That it should be 100% totally government paid for?
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Why confuse them with studies and facts. Do you think they want their biases debunked by actual research?
Why do so many come here, to the US, for healthcare then? Any explanations for that?
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:15 AM
 
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As I stated earlier, that may be a price we pay for being the country with the best and most innovations, medicinal discoveries, and new vaccines, with benefits mankind. Unfortunately, this isn't taken into consideration in these studies.
Pretty heavy "price," wouldn't you think? Guess where half of the funding comes from for all of those awesome medical innovations we have? It's not Wall Street.
I'm not sure Amazon's statements are factual. There are many bio-tech innovations happening outside of America.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I don't agree about the deductibles because $4K for a family is a LOT of money for anyone who makes a regular income. Unless of course the price of seeing your General Practicioner was the same price that the insurance companies pay, not the price that they would charge for private pay. (And isn't that a funny thing.... a specialist will take $60 from the insurance company and bill the patient nothing, but, if it were a private pay, they charge $200. What's up with that?).
As has been previously pointed out, there is a growing trend of Doctors not taking insurance at all - their patients pay, out of their pockets, the office fee. And those office visit fees are not what you suggest. AND, the "walk in" clinics in Malls, and airports - where you can get a physical for less than $75.00. Get your "sniffles" treated for $39.00.
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:22 AM
 
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The problem is Americans have been SO BRAINWASHED to think they have to pat whatever outragous price the provider wants to charge (or they don't care because they reason the insurance company will pay). BUT DUHHHH! If the insurance company didn't have to pay $130k for health surgery and could pay $14k instead, maybe your health insurance premiums would be a heck of a lot LOWER!
A few years ago, before healthcare sky rocketed more, I had my appendix taken out. I was in the hospital for four days. I was on an IV drip for a few of those days, as I had a low-grade infection.

The first day, I was only on liquid food. Thereafter, I was on regular food.
The food was so bad, that I had DH bring me food from outside the hospital. So I didn't really eat any of the hospital food.

When the orderly came to change my sheets, they took off my pillow cases. They did not replace them. I asked why I didn't have a pillow case, and was told that the hospital had a shortage of sheets.

Also, my hospital room, was unimaginably dirty. You know how hospitals are supposed to be clean? Well I find them to be a lot more dirty than my own place, and I'm no June Cleaver! The floors are always So, so dusty.

I spent a lot of "walk around to get better" time, cleaning my own room because it was gross.

Anyway, I saw the invoices broken down to various components.

For my trouble, my insurance company was billed $20,000 for "room and board".

I could have stayed at the Plaza for less and had much greater comforts and amenities for 1/2 the price. (And much better room service then the nurses that are too busy (because their understaffed) to give you proper attention when you are still bed-ridden.)
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Old 10-29-2007, 10:23 AM
 
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Did you ever stop to think that the fact that many of these birth mothers do not seek out pre-natal care? And, many are addicted to alchol and drugs?

Ever see what a crack addicted baby looks like? You should - then perhaps you might have a far better understanding of why the mortality rate is schewed
Is that really the problem?

Lycaeum > Leda > Crack Babies Excerpt from "Smoke and Mirrors"

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Poor women have always birthed smaller and sicker babies, and the sharp increase in the number of poor, uninsured women was certain to boost the number of ailing newborns. Prenatal care - and the insurance to pay for it---was and is a better predictor of a newborn's health than whether the mother smokes crack. "In the end," Florida health officials concluded in 1985, "it is safer for a baby to be born to a drug-abusing, anaemic, or a diabetic mother who visits the doctor throughout her pregnancy than to be born to a normal woman who does not."
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The proximate roots of the "crack baby crisis" were in 1981, when federal cuts in Medicaid stripped more than a million poor mothers and their kids of access to medical care. Within a few years, half of all African-American women had access to poor pre-natal care or none at all, and the effects showed up at once. By 1984, their infant mortality rate had noticeably worsened for the first time in twenty years - and this was a full year before crack appeared.
My search turned up a recreational drug site, but this article seems pretty informative... if you doubt its credibility then there's probably more information available if you look it up.
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