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Old 02-26-2012, 07:54 AM
 
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from the jist of the article, it looks like the farmer is not doing interstate commerce, and therefore is not subject to federal regulations per the commerce clause.
A tiny tiny fraction of these types of operations including raw foods operators get in trouble with the various regulatory bodies.

Why?

Well in the case of many they are skirting the rules to sell broadly instead of to just their members, or were involved in various other illegal activity.

In fact, in another thread on this topic I linked to a rawfoods advocacy group that warns against exactly this.

One group had product quality so low they couldn't sell through normal supply chains so they went *organic*. Then when they got in trouble many rawfooders etc. applauded these fast-buck charlatans selling fake organics etc. but then someone will put out "black helicopter" type faux propaganda and the usual suspects will swallow it up hook line and sinker.

Seriously? People don't understand how much money you can make just labeling stuff "organic" or "raw" etc? Yeah no one would ever try to skirt the rules and make a fast buck doing that.
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Old 02-26-2012, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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A tiny tiny fraction of these types of operations including raw foods operators get in trouble with the various regulatory bodies.

Why?

Well in the case of many they are skirting the rules to sell broadly instead of to just their members, or were involved in various other illegal activity.

In fact, in another thread on this topic I linked to a rawfoods advocacy group that warns against exactly this.

One group had product quality so low they couldn't sell through normal supply chains so they went *organic*. Then when they got in trouble many rawfooders etc. applauded these fast-buck charlatans selling fake organics etc. but then someone will put out "black helicopter" type faux propaganda and the usual suspects will swallow it up hook line and sinker.

Seriously? People don't understand how much money you can make just labeling stuff "organic" or "raw" etc? Yeah no one would ever try to skirt the rules and make a fast buck doing that.
You are 100% correct on the money that can be made by labeling something "organic","No GMO" or "no growth hormones".
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You are 100% correct on the money that can be made by labeling something "organic","No GMO" or "no growth hormones".
Big money. The USDA took over "organic". Big food companies bought out the smaller, former true organics and now market them.

Organic now includes man-made synthetic chemicals thanks to lobbying and the USDA.
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Old 02-26-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Nest food poiusoning cases and the first thing people will demand is FDA investigation.It like not having health inspectio of restaurants ;IMO. No thanks.Of course thei case was not about small farmers markets at all really.
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:27 AM
 
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Big money. The USDA took over "organic". Big food companies bought out the smaller, former true organics and now market them.

Organic now includes man-made synthetic chemicals thanks to lobbying and the USDA.
I heard about it,but didn't get in depth on it...wasn't that 2 or so years back??
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Old 02-26-2012, 10:51 AM
 
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I heard about it,but didn't get in depth on it...wasn't that 2 or so years back??
Here's the USDA list (found in Subpart G):
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:25 AM
 
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Here's the USDA list (found in Subpart G):
Electronic Code of Federal Regulations:
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:53 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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A tiny tiny fraction of these types of operations including raw foods operators get in trouble with the various regulatory bodies.

Why?

Well in the case of many they are skirting the rules to sell broadly instead of to just their members, or were involved in various other illegal activity.

In fact, in another thread on this topic I linked to a rawfoods advocacy group that warns against exactly this.

One group had product quality so low they couldn't sell through normal supply chains so they went *organic*. Then when they got in trouble many rawfooders etc. applauded these fast-buck charlatans selling fake organics etc. but then someone will put out "black helicopter" type faux propaganda and the usual suspects will swallow it up hook line and sinker.

Seriously? People don't understand how much money you can make just labeling stuff "organic" or "raw" etc? Yeah no one would ever try to skirt the rules and make a fast buck doing that.

I trust raw milk more than I do homogenized or pasturized milk. gen milk is also not good either.

goverment should stay out of states business and keep to themselves.
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Old 02-27-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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Default Freedom Food Rally in support of Vernon Hershberger

Raw Milk Freedom Riders | Challenging the FDAs policy on raw milk
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:16 AM
 
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Unpublished research hasn't been peer reviewed and means exactly dick in a discussion regarding matters of science--like perhaps GENETICALLY MODIFIED FOODS.
I'm not going to waste my time responding to the rest of your uninformed opinions, demanding evidence from others while making unsubstantiated claims yourself.

You want "published" ? Here:

Published by Harvard University ...

Hormones in milk can be dangerous

(Excerpt)

"Among the routes of human exposure to estrogens, we are mostly concerned about cow's milk, which contains considerable amounts of female sex hormones," Ganmaa told her audience. Dairy, she added, accounts for 60 percent to 80 percent of estrogens consumed.

Part of the problem seems to be milk from modern dairy farms, where cows are milked about 300 days a year. For much of that time, the cows are pregnant. The later in pregnancy a cow is, the more hormones appear in her milk.


Milk from a cow in the late stage of pregnancy contains up to 33 times as much of a signature estrogen compound (estrone sulfate) than milk from a non-pregnant cow.

Harvard study: Pasteurized milk from industrial dairies linked to cancer

"Evaluating data from all over the world, Dr. Davaasambuu and her colleagues identified a clear link between consumption of such high-hormone milk, and high rates of hormone-dependent cancers. In other words, contrary to what the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), and the conventional milk lobby would have you believe, processed milk from factory farms is not a health product, and is directly implicated in causing cancer."

Now, Dr. Davaasambuu is an expert specializing in the study of raw and pasteurized dairy, and has several investigations published in PubMed.

Milk, dairy intake and risk of endometrial cancer: A 26-year follow-up
Milk, dairy intake and risk of endometrial canc... [Int J Cancer. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI


Milk consumption and the prepubertal somatotropic axis.
Milk consumption and the prepubertal somatotropic axis. [Nutr J. 2007] - PubMed - NCBI


The possible role of female sex hormones in milk from pregnant cows in the development of breast, ovarian and corpus uteri cancers.
The possible role of female sex hormones in m... [Med Hypotheses. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI


The effects of estrogen-like products in milk on prostate and testes
[The effects of estrogen-like products i... [Zhonghua Nan Ke Xue. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

This is just one researcher among many, and just one of the negative affects of corporate mega dairies and the poison they produce which poses far greater dangers than NATURAL RAW MILK.

I could cite many more examples of P U B L I S H E D studies linking dreadful outcomes from HUNDREDS of USDA/FDA approved items, none the least of which is ASPARTAME.

The facts are, several FDA scientists quit their jobs in protest of the decision to approve aspartame for human consumption, when ALL OF THE SCIENTIFIC DATA produced by all of the FDA's studies confirmed significant dangers in consuming that product.

But ... government loves you ... and really does care about your health.
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