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Old 02-26-2012, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Nobody supports infanticide. After all, there is no baby before birth.

Really? The nano second before the baby leaves the birth canal it isn't a baby?

Then how is this possible?

Wisconsin woman charged with killing mother, unborn child - CNN
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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They do nothing to support woman who choose to carry children to term.
Well, if a woman changes her mind and decides to have that baby because of such counseling, isn't that a lot already? Provided saving life is really as important to you as you claim?
There probably are various organizations and even government programs to help mothers who need help during pregnancy and later on.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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I agree that life starts before the baby is born, no doubt about it. As far as I know there is a point in time during pregnancy, after which abortion is not allowed unless the mother's life is at stake.
One would have to analyze all possible reasons for abortion individually. For instance with pregnancy as a result of rape, who except sadists and perverts would suggest the rape victim has to have that child?
First of all, thanks for the non-emotional, non-derogatory response.

Yeah that's an argument I struggle with. Because if I believe abortion is killing a baby, then isn't a killing a baby even if it was created through rape or incest?

I'm still trying to decide when I think a baby becomes a person, a human, I haven't fully formed my opinions on that. But I do know there is a point where a baby is a person, and just because it was conceived in a truly horrific manner doesn't mean it is less human than a child conceived in a loving relationship.

I don't have answers to these questions. But when I ponder abortion this is where my mind goes. I don't think you can truly be pro-life and have exceptions. Either you believe its a life or you don't. You can't have it both ways to gain political support.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Well, if a woman changes her mind and decides to have that baby because of such counseling, isn't that a lot already? Provided saving life is really as important to you as you claim?
There probably are various organizations and even government programs to help mothers who need help during pregnancy and later on.

Not according to the pro abortion crowd. They routinely demand those who are pro life support women who decide to keep their babies.

Your inability to point to any program that supports the choice of life to anywhere near the degree that they support abortion, kinda proves my point. You guys are pro abortion, not pro choice.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:31 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Really? The nano second before the baby leaves the birth canal it isn't a baby?

Then how is this possible?

Wisconsin woman charged with killing mother, unborn child - CNN
Whatever it says there, baby applies to the time after birth. Before that it is called fetus.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Whatever it says there, baby applies to the time after birth. Before that it is called fetus.

Read the headline, unborn child.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Not according to the pro abortion crowd. They routinely demand those who are pro life support women who decide to keep their babies.

Your inability to point to any program that supports the choice of life to anywhere near the degree that they support abortion, kinda proves my point. You guys are pro abortion, not pro choice.
I am not American, any American mother might name such organizations and programs.

I am myself pro-choice, but I am happy whenever women decide against an abortion. So much for pro-choice = pro-abortion
Especially since I am a man, I feel like I have no right to tell women what to do.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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Nobody supports infanticide.
Obama does.


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There is no baby before birth.
Yes, there is. What do you think is in there? A roast beef sandwich?
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:36 AM
 
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Read the headline, unborn child.
Sorry, but I think they are wrong. Child also begins at birth.
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Old 02-26-2012, 07:37 AM
 
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Whatever it says there, baby applies to the time after birth. Before that it is called fetus.
Killing a fetus is murder.
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