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Old 03-05-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I disagree again. Faith is not a means of ascertaining reality. Reality is reality no matter what you believe. Reality exists with or without faith in a god or a heaven or a hell. Observation of what really is and thoughtful contemplation of the observation is what brings the knowledge of what really is. That is the Truth.

Faith is not a means of determining reality. It is only a way of tempering the harshness of an indifferent universe.

Good and evil are the creations of human societies that observed that some behaviors resulted in better lives for the group, sometimes at the expense of individuals, and some did not. These observations became codified into laws and rules enforced by the group and justified by the shaman. Normally the result was groups being ruled by the strongest not necessarily the smartest. Eventually shamen became organized onto a church and controlled the Kings. The result has been generations of hate, discontent, and murderous war.

I prefer Fact over Faith.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:56 AM
 
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Oh, please. That's as bogus as the claim by slaveholder's that blacks didn't have the mental capacity to live as free men or to be fit for anything but servitude.
No. It's not. Read the study.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:57 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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Because we all know how 'tolerant' Fundamentalist Christians are don't we?
Can you name one "fundamentalist Christian" who would not allow you to set up your little atheist school in your neighborhood?

You can't do it, because no one of any prominence has ever suggested such a thing.

I can name one or two, but that's only because I know about some pretty obscure people.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:59 AM
 
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That's odd.

I am pretty conservative, but I have always understood the I am responsible for myself.

There isn't too much complexity to that.
See? Complexity is difficult for the self-obsessed 'rightie' brain.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:59 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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I disagree again. Faith is not a means of ascertaining reality. Reality is reality no matter what you believe. Reality exists with or without faith in a god or a heaven or a hell. Observation of what really is and thoughtful contemplation of the observation is what brings the knowledge of what really is. That is the Truth.

Faith is not a means of determining reality. It is only a way of tempering the harshness of an indifferent universe ...

I prefer Fact over Faith.
OK, you're free to disagree. But what you call "faith" has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:03 AM
 
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OK, you're free to disagree. But what you call "faith" has nothing whatsoever to do with Christianity.
What you call Christianity has nothing whatsoever to do with Christ.

(other than the name)
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Indoctrination:
1. Instruction in a body of doctrine or principles.

Doctrine etymology: late 14c., from O.Fr. doctrine (12c.) "teaching, doctrine," and directly from L. doctrina "teaching, body of teachings, learning," from doctor "teacher"

Sounds good to me!
It doesn't to me...unless I get to indoctrinate YOUR kids with my doctrine.

Agreeable to you?
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No, we don't. Secularism and the culture of "rights" is supremely intolerant. It allows no public authority to exist but its own.
And, faith is tolerant? How about religion?
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Observation of what really is and thoughtful contemplation of the observation is what brings the knowledge of what really is. That is the Truth.
That is also New Testament faith. In the NT Greek, faith is defined as being persuaded about the truth of something by examining the evidence. Of course, in terms of Christian faith, that means deciding to believe in the reality of the Jesus Christ of the Bible by examining the evidence and accepting it.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:09 AM
 
Location: The Other California
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It doesn't to me...unless I get to indoctrinate YOUR kids with my doctrine.

Agreeable to you?
You're a Southern Baptist, correct? Feel free to indoctrinate my kids with facts like the creation of the world ex nihilo, the great deluge, the exodus, the ten commandments, the prophecies of the Messias, the virgin birth, the incarnation, the beatitudes, the atonement, the resurrection, the ascension, and even the inerrancy of scripture. It's all Catholic.
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