Why Aren't Conservative Women Worried About Losing Their Rights? (Pittsburgh, New York, percentage)
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This is about ideology. It doesn't matter if a person is highly educated, wealthy or poor, modern liberals are interested in socialism. Wealthy liberals want redistribution as much as poor ones do.
What's this? Class envy? (Sarc)
I'm not wealthy, but I'm fairly affluent, and I don't know what you're talking about.
First, I don't consider birth control as a preventative health measure. then you would be dead wrong. Pregnancy is not a disease or illness. but endometriosis is, and its treated with birth control pills. In fact the name birth control pills could be changed to be "whatever" and you wouldn't have a clue that you were paying for contraception. And it can easily be prevented without birth control pills. Again, not true, look at the birth rates prior to the pill. Other forms of contraception have a much smaller percentage of success.Birth control pills if anything add to the risk of several health problems.Not true again. They have an excellent success rate in preventing womens health issues as well as contraception. Today on Dr. Oz show that doctors are now prescribing it after menopause to prevent certain cancers.
Second, The preventive services to try to find cancer do not save money. In many cases they increase treatments that may be unnecessary, as in the case of Prostate cancer. not to topic and I don't follow that issue so won't speak to it.
Third, there is no such thing as free. Obamacare takes $500 Billion from seniors on medicare and it still will be more expensive than our current system.Not true, except on right wing web sites.
Fourth. I don't want the government mandating anything to me.
Well, that will never happen so get over it you can't change it.
Ah..a Nancy Pelosi follower with "bodies in the streets" if it doesn't get passed.
The point was giving free ER care to illegals will NOT lower anyone's premiums because the costs have to be paid for by someone.
The government doesn't earn money. It just redistributes it.
giving free ER care to illegals has always been done, I doubt it will change, unless there were a way to track them and make them also by mandated insurance. Exactly where would these people in fact, be dying....if not in the streets? Because without the help they will in fact die. Your not thinking about such a thing, doesn't make it not happen. Nancy Pelosi or not. As to the government earning money, who said they did? They collect it and distribute it for the "country's needs", determined in 4 or 8 year increments as to who has the more important needs at the moment or which problems around the world most in need of addressing. With the Bush/Cheney era, the very wealthy, wall street, cleaning up Daddy Bush's unfinished business and tax cuts causing huge deficits were considered the "country's needs". With this admin, jobs, the economy and cleaning up the old mess and trying to finish up the unfunded wars that were started, killing off the terroists leaders etc. etc. and health care are what the "country needs". Its our turn. Get in line.
This is the topic of another thread, so I'm not going into details, but evidently Arizona and Kansas are working on bills to shield doctors from lawsuits if they refuse to tell pregnant woman about fetal defects because they're concerned that she might choose to abort the baby. I think we've passed the point where any rational person can claim this garbage is all MSM and DNC propaganda.
What a crock. I just don't happen to drink the kool-aid thinking we're going back 100 years in time with all the emotional fear-mongering.
As Ron Paul put it..this whole woman debate is just "silly".
ron Paul hardly has the issue to worry about now does he. But he's correct in that it is silly....we have no business having the government in womens health issues. Ridiculous actually, why does the GOP give a ????
I think the Democrats are taking full advantage of the situation that the far religious right end of the party has created. The democrats didn't introduce personhood bills in 12 states, and they didn't push for trans vaginal ultrasounds before an abortion in two others. They didn't introduce a bill (the Blunt bill) that would allow ANY employer to decide to drop any health condition from coverage that he/she objects to for personal reasons.
The bottom line is that instead of talking about the economy--the reason we had a R wave in 2010--the religious right (disguised as the "tea party") moved off on an orchestrated plan to put this kind of crap in place across the country, and it's backfiring on them. Want to go back to a discussion of the economy, where republicans can actually WIN? Then the far right social conservatives need to knock it off. They're managing to tick off not only independents but moderate R women as well. You can't blame the D's for taking advantage of pure stupidity on the R side.
So very well said.....I knew there were more intelligent right wing women out there, besides Olympia Snowe and Elizabeth Dole! You're menfolk are kicking their own asses!
Good grief! You leave a thread to take a nap and look what happens. I think I'll split my responses into two posts.
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Originally Posted by OICU812
It's all about "free riders" Government demands all hospitals give away health care for free to anyone and everyone, and now we are stuck searching for a way to remedy an expensive problem that government created... and the answer for some folks is a more powerful government and more government intrusiveness and interference.
The government requires any hospital that receives federal funds (basically all of them) to provide emergency care and stabilize the patient for anyone with life-threatening illness/injury. The govt. does not require free care for everyone via ER.
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Originally Posted by HappyTexan
Those radical women of long ago didn't demand the government pay for all their entitlements.
LOL, the old "that's different".
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Originally Posted by Yooperkat
Ya want competition?
Just allow people to buy insurance across state lines.
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Originally Posted by Yooperkat
Forget Obamacare and let consumers buy insurance across state lines.
Make tort reform laws that work.
No one has ever told me how selling ins. across state lines would help lower costs. The big companies basically do that anyway. They just craft their policies to comply with the state mandates in the "several states".
Tort reform has not significanly lowered costs in states that have enacted it.
I grew up in a farming/ranching family in rural Nebraska. I might be just a bit younger than you--I was in that first wave when women starting going to college in bigger numbers. Still, where I grew up, the rule was to send the boys off to college if they weren't going to immediately take over the ranch or farm, and the girls could train to be 1)a secretary 2) a nurse or 3) a teacher, with the end goal of marrying a local farmer or rancher. I was lucky that both my parents thought we should have a shot at doing what we wanted to do, and that my dad had an ag degree and mom was already a teacher, so higher education was normal in my family. My family was one of the few that worked hard to put all their girls through school. Out of a high school graduating class of 55, I was one of four girls to go on to a university, and I'm the only woman from my class with an advanced degree. I'm lucky that I had more chances than many other woman from my time, but anyone who says that we didn't have to fight like h*ll to get ahead, and that doors weren't routinely shut to us that we had to break open, is a fool, and trying to rewrite history.
I came of age in the late 70s/early 80s, and married a woman who was born in the Panhandle of Nebraska to parents from the same area. Her parents wanted her to be a nurse, and almost disowned her when she refused and chose anthropology as a major. She has a PhD and makes more money than all but a few people on the college campus where she works. She is a liberal and recognizes that liberals like Betty Friedan, Gloria Steinem and others like them are responsible for her opportunities.
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