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Old 03-30-2012, 08:32 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No. "Hate" defines the purpose/intent, not the crime itself. For example, a mugger doesn't hate you, but loves your Rolex.

Hey Einstein... If you don't resist, there is no physical violence.
If you say NO, there may or may not be physical violence, because now he hates you for not doing what he said to do.

It can be a hate crime, because he hates the fact, you have more than them.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The victim didn't charge the old lady, the cops and the prosecutors did on the evidence they have.

sheesh. What you guys find "controversial" boggles the mind.
Isn't it interesting that the same people blame the victim, in this case and in the Martin case.

I suppose all that matters is the race and/or sexual persuasion of the victim.

If they are black, blame the victim.
If they are gay, blame the victim.

Simple as that...

And, if the guy 'stood his ground' and shot this woman, well, none of these people would be on his side...guaranteed.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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cuz age only applies if she is a minor or adult. DUH...
Really?
So its my imagination that judges have in the past taken age into account when sentencing?
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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This woman needs to obey the law just like everyone else. If she can prove that her assault was not based on his sexual orientation, the hate crime charges should be dropped. I do agree that every time someone uses a word like f****** they are not committing a hate crime. If someone calls a woman a ***** then hits her, it isn't a hate crime, but if someone goes out looking for a woman and hurts one simply because they hate women, it is. On the other hand, if the woman had kept her hands to herself, none of this would be happening. She does have some issues she needs help with.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:35 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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99.99 out of 100 people in America has commited a hate crime.
Speak for yourself, mister.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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So, according to you, she is an innocent victim. Is she?
No according to me the hate crime charge is ridiculous, charge her with assault if you must.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:36 AM
 
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This is not a hate crime, nor should it be treated as one. It's assault, nothing more.

Homos With Hurt Feelings™ strike again.
That's utter BS Aero and you know it.

Change it into races instead of sexual orientation and it would also be a hate crime. If you don't like this then take it up with the LEOs but at some point you have to recognize your own biases.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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Isn't all physical violence a hate crime?
No. To be a so-called "hate crime," the crimes must be motivated, in part, because of the person's race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. That's why they're called "bias motivated" sentence enhancement laws.
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Hey Einstein... If you don't resist, there is no physical violence.
We should meet.

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No according to me the hate crime charge is ridiculous, charge her with assault if you must.
Assault is the charge. Hate is the intent/purpose. Or, do assaults have no motivation/purpose?
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:39 AM
 
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Isn't it interesting that the same people blame the victim, in this case and in the Martin case.

I suppose all that matters is the race and/or sexual persuasion of the victim.

If they are black, blame the victim.
If they are gay, blame the victim.

Simple as that...

And, if the guy 'stood his ground' and shot this woman, well, none of these people would be on his side...guaranteed.
Could you point me to a specific post where someone blamed the victim in this thread?

Every post I've seen is just debating whether the lady should be charged with assault or a hate crime.
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