Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-03-2012, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Gone
25,231 posts, read 16,994,900 times
Reputation: 5932

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by AeroGuyDC View Post
Which one of those 45 can you dispute? If you're feeling ambitious, perhaps you can debunk all 45 claims?

Just saying they are half-truths doesn't make them half truths.
All of them, it not even a new list, are you behind on opening your emails? You posted a list of simple points but failed to mention the reasons for those points you listed. It is no different than if I stated: "The GOP has not kept their promise to end abortion." You would say but ............
And there ya go, you already know the truth that goes aong with the list you posted, as do most posters here, you simply failed to provide all the facts, it is what Republicans do, all the time and most posters here know what you are doing. Maybe an audiance of uninformed sheeple would be a better place for you to sell what you are selling, try a Tea Party meeting, you will find many sheeple there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-03-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
32,861 posts, read 19,579,183 times
Reputation: 9647
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtownoe View Post
Medicare and Medicaid are not welfare. Military spending takes up more of the budget than welfare.

Taking apart the federal budget (washingtonpost.com)
moving the goal posts are we???

the resonse you made was to """welfare and entitlement programs or defense"""

medicaid is certainly a entiltment program since nothing is put in by the individual

DOD budget is less than 700 billion

medicaid/care is 900 billion

welfare and food stamps is another 400 billion

section 8 is a 50 billion (or more)

not to mention the 800 billion dollar gorilla in the room of social security

heck 63 billion is what was spent on "humanitarian assistance" under the international affirs heading of the budget

or the 26 billion spend on "community development"..under the heading of """450 Community and Regional Development:"""

Last edited by workingclasshero; 04-03-2012 at 12:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
41,458 posts, read 59,959,019 times
Reputation: 24865
A society of starving peasants and hereditary wealth is the natural state of man. Just ask any royalist or financial elite. We will become that society because it is a right and proper way to live. It is a natural state where everyone knows their place in the hierarchy and stays there.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
6,391 posts, read 5,182,697 times
Reputation: 2283
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtownoe View Post
Welfare is not what's draining this country financially. That's just a myth. Military spending is what's draining this country.

Really,

add up all the welfare, all the section 8, all the food stamps, and all the money we are handing out to all of the other nations in the world.

Quote:
In FY2011, federal spending on means-tested welfare, plus state contributions to federal programs, will reach $940 billion per year. The federal share will come to around $695 billion or 74 percent, while state spending will be around $250 billion or 26 percent.
Yes Virginia, that's almost 940 Billion, in 2011, starting 2012, that goes up to a TRILLION!

BTW, if you argue that not all of that is FEDERAL taxed spending, remember, the states only income is taxes also.

http://waysandmeans.house.gov/Upload..._Testimony.pdf

Add to that, over 52 BILLION Dollars, given in "Foreign aid", Much of that to countries that hate us, and countries like China.

So, that's an almost easy Trillion PLUS, that can be saved in our national budget. (Yes, that is LESS than MILITARY spending.)

NOW, a balanced budget amendment, spending U.S. Tax dollars only on things covered by the constitution, would end up lowering taxes on all citizens, we would have more money to spend, our economy would pick back up, and ALL citizen would benefit, especially middle class and below.

Last edited by Darkatt; 04-03-2012 at 01:16 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:03 PM
 
33,012 posts, read 27,563,677 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkatt View Post

2. Stop section 8 - let them go ask for charity.

Stop NIMBY. Stop all the excessive regulations which prevent people from buying homes they can afford and which make housing unaffordable.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:17 PM
 
33,012 posts, read 27,563,677 times
Reputation: 9074
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
or the 26 billion spend on "community development"..under the heading of """450 Community and Regional Development:"""

A lot of that really benefits the middle class. For example, Community Development Block Grant funds are ostensibly intended for "low and moderate income" households. Local communities are given the money and it is allocated locally - by the upper/middle class decisionmakers who wun things, and not by low and moderate income residents.

Since money is fungible, local governments use this "free" money to play a shell game which allows them to spend more money elsewhere.

For example, local road maintenance is usually paid from the town's general fund. With CDBG money, the town simply designates CDBG money to pave/maintain streets in low/moderate income neighborhoods, allowing the town to spend its own money in affluent neighborhoods.

And towns worried about neighborhoods having "too much" rental housing use CDBG funds to subsidize homebuyers (who are usually at the top of the eligible income range, and never poor) as part of a strategy to increase homeownership, raise rents and home prices generally, and displace renters.

I'd happily scrap this program because it harms the poor while claiming to help them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:26 PM
 
1,176 posts, read 1,824,769 times
Reputation: 260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gtownoe View Post
Medicare and Medicaid are not welfare. Military spending takes up more of the budget than welfare.

Taking apart the federal budget (washingtonpost.com)
Actually MEDICAID is welfare.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:30 PM
 
21,026 posts, read 22,206,699 times
Reputation: 5941
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
that's the fascist liberal dream...two classes..to poor serfs who get welfare scraps and the liberal elite masters


liberalism...aka... progressiveism..aka varients of socialism/fascism/communism...aka..GLOBALISM ...aka ANTI-FREEDOM

What!? It's the Republicans , like the one below, who want to screw the poor and middle class and support their gods, The Wealthy!!!

Sweet jesus! Pay attention!








Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkatt View Post
Actually it's simple.

1. Stop welfare - let them go ask for charity.

2. Stop section 8 - let them go ask for charity.

3. Stop food stamps - let them go ask for charity.

4. Balanced budget amendment.

5. Stop giving money to every other nation on the globe, that money is U.S. Citizen tax money, and it's used for defense of our country, to page government wages, interstate system, those things that are required by our constitution.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: USA
13,255 posts, read 12,167,215 times
Reputation: 4228
Quote:
Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
moving the goal posts are we???

the resonse you made was to """welfare and entitlement programs or defense"""

medicaid is certainly a entiltment program since nothing is put in by the individual

DOD budget is less than 700 billion

medicaid/care is 900 billion

welfare and food stamps is another 400 billion

section 8 is a 50 billion (or more)

not to mention the 800 billion dollar gorilla in the room of social security

heck 63 billion is what was spent on "humanitarian assistance" under the international affirs heading of the budget

or the 26 billion spend on "community development"..under the heading of """450 Community and Regional Development:"""
Entitlement programs? Such as the military? Your entitled to protection now?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-03-2012, 02:51 PM
 
3,345 posts, read 3,084,259 times
Reputation: 1725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
All of them, it not even a new list, are you behind on opening your emails? You posted a list of simple points but failed to mention the reasons for those points you listed. It is no different than if I stated: "The GOP has not kept their promise to end abortion." You would say but ............
And there ya go, you already know the truth that goes aong with the list you posted, as do most posters here, you simply failed to provide all the facts, it is what Republicans do, all the time and most posters here know what you are doing. Maybe an audiance of uninformed sheeple would be a better place for you to sell what you are selling, try a Tea Party meeting, you will find many sheeple there.
You will find even a higher % of sheeple at your local Democrat Mein Kamph takeover America rally or at one of Al and Jessie's racist hate rallys for Trayvon

Seems you always fall for it.... my heart goes out to you
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:41 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top