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Old 04-04-2013, 09:46 AM
 
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Biologically, homosexuality is real and exists. It is in all animal species, all including us. Who flunked biology now? All the aruements against interracial marriage are used against same sex marriage. There is no more need to deny gay couples the rights of marriage than there is to deny it for senior citizens or sterile couples who want the rights, benefits and protections that come with a civil marriage contract recognized by the secular federal government..
"Interracial sex is unnatural! You'd never see a brown dog mate with a white dog! "


See how ignorant that sounds, bigots? You're on the wrong side of history, is this the important 'moral stand' you want to be remembered for? Grow up.

 
Old 04-04-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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Opponents haven't lost. They're in the battle unless the Supreme Court rules that bans against ssm are illegal.
Well, DOMA appears to be going down faster than a Republican Congressman in a public restroom.

And yes, they've pretty much lost the battle of public opinion. They can fight a delaying action, expend a lot of resources on making sure that some thousands of their fellow human beings are made aware that their love and their relationships are to be thought inferior. If they really - as they claim ad nauseam - expect to be judged by a higher authority, the explanations will be - interesting.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I'll ignore the petty, oddly enough homophobic personal attack, and now I will destroy your fantasy with logic.

How does a sexual act which cannot produce children increase the survival of a said species? That is hilarious. Name one species of animals that only participates in gay sex and never straight sex that isn't extinct. Just because dumb animals do it does not make it natural, and does not mean it is not a deviant act. Lots of animals smear poop on themselves, rape each other and eat there own children. Said acts are proven to increase the survival of some of those species. Do you suggest that human beings that like to cover themselves in in feces, eat, rape, and kill children are just doing natural acts and should be released from prison?
Bonobos, the smaller relatives of both chimpanzees and humans, have sex with each other almost continually. Every bonobo has sex several times each day. Each other is literally all of them, male and female. It's male/female, male/male/ female/female indiscriminately.

Unlike humans and chimpanzees, bonobos do not ever fight with each other. They will fight a predator, but will not fight another band of bonobos. As a result, they live longer than chimps, have stronger family bands, and all have learned how to share their territories peacefully.

While they are threatened by loss of their habitat, they are doing far better than the chimps. Chimpanzees wage continual war inside their bands and against other bands.

When bonobos run out of food, they are able to pass through another band's territory with a band's population intact. This hopscotching is allowing them to survive better as the resources run out for all of them. Chimpanzee bands war with each other in the same conditions, forcing the losing band to stay and starve in poor territory.

'Dumb' does not mean stupid. It means animals lack the power of speech, and comes from a time when humans believed only they could communicate with each other. Animals do communicate on many levels as we all know now. A big part of every mammal's communication is sexual.

Homosexuality goes on in the animal kingdom for all kinds of reasons; dominance, higher bonding in bands and herds, affection, preparation for breeding, sexual practice for the young and sexual pleasure for the menopausal.
Some species are entirely homosexual. Some snails can change sex to breed, then change back after laying eggs. There are other examples. Earthworms are both sexes at the same time.

Mother nature gives every living species on Earth many survival strategies. Every living thing's first priority is to reproduce. That includes human beings. If there was no biological need for homosexuality in nature, it would not exist in us, bonobos, chimps, elephants, horses, snails, plants, and one-celled ameba.

Nature's logic trumps all human logic, razorblade.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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Well, DOMA appears to be going down faster than a Republican Congressman in a public restroom.

And yes, they've pretty much lost the battle of public opinion. They can fight a delaying action, expend a lot of resources on making sure that some thousands of their fellow human beings are made aware that their love and their relationships are to be thought inferior. If they really - as they claim ad nauseam - expect to be judged by a higher authority, the explanations will be - interesting.
Public opinion goes up and down. I do expect the approval of ssm to remain higher among younger people, but not high enough to approve ssm in many states. After the next 4-6 states pass ssm, I think the legislative progress will stall.

DOMA will go down by court ruling, not Congressional vote.

Even if we end up with half the states approving ssm, that still leaves many gay people in a bind. Progress, yes, victory, no.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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The topic on gay unions is hot. Being a controversial issue, many compare gay "marriage" to interracial marriage. Why is that?
Because both involve civil rights issues of discrimination.

In one, people were denied the right to marry whom they wished to, based on something they could not control - the genetically-determined color of their skin. In the other, people were denied the right to marry whom they wished to, based on something they could not control - their genetically-determined preference for same gender.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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I love these ass backwards justifications for bigotry.

I bet OP's parents said something like "Why do people compare interracial marriage to real marriage?" in the sixties.


Dear religious zealots, you have lost. Crawl back to your pews and pray your invisible master makes 180 million Americans change their minds.
Got to go that low to talk about someone's family, huh? You libs never cease to amaze me.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 02:41 PM
 
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Public opinion goes up and down. I do expect the approval of ssm to remain higher among younger people, but not high enough to approve ssm in many states. After the next 4-6 states pass ssm, I think the legislative progress will stall.

DOMA will go down by court ruling, not Congressional vote.

Even if we end up with half the states approving ssm, that still leaves many gay people in a bind. Progress, yes, victory, no.
It really doesn't though if DOMA goes down.... all the way down.


That's because marriages performed in one state must be given full faith and credit of marriages in another state.


Which means that even in the most conservative states, they would STILL have to recognize a gay couple living in-state but married in New York as MARRIED, even if their own state does not allow such marriages to be performed within their borders.

And of course, at the federal level the feds would have to recognize married individuals regardless of sex.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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You libs never cease to amaze me.[/font]

I'm sure it happens every day for you conservatives. Like when Elmo teaches you something you never knew on Sesame Street.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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It really doesn't though if DOMA goes down.... all the way down.


That's because marriages performed in one state must be given full faith and credit of marriages in another state.


Which means that even in the most conservative states, they would STILL have to recognize a gay couple living in-state but married in New York as MARRIED, even if their own state does not allow such marriages to be performed within their borders.

And of course, at the federal level the feds would have to recognize married individuals regardless of sex.
Exactly. States can't refuse to recognize marriages which are legal.
 
Old 04-04-2013, 02:44 PM
 
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Got to go that low to talk about someone's family, huh? You libs never cease to amaze me.
Are you imagining things? LOL! I think you superimposed one comment over another and off you went, into lala land.
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