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Old 04-12-2012, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species opened the modern era of evolutionary thinking.<snip>
You know SD, it's bad form to cut and paste without at least linking to the source of your propaganda.

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Old 04-12-2012, 08:45 AM
 
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Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species opened the modern era of evolutionary thinking. The very name of his book suggests that as we look back in time, we should see fewer kinds of animals. Darwin led many people to think that there should be a greater variety of plants and animals today than in the distant past. And those plants and animals should be more 100 foot fernssophisticated today.

But the fossil record tells just the opposite story. The most ancient rocks with identifiable fossils of multi celled creatures in them contain every major family alive today. These creatures just appear fully formed all at once. And both evolutionists and creationists admit that not all the creatures that existed in the day when these fossils were formed have been preserved in the fossil record.

When you think of some of the pictures of strange creatures from the early days of Earth history, it seems obvious that, contrary to Darwin's theory, there was a much greater variety of creatures alive in the past than exists today. And generally they were bigger and stronger than creatures are today. Ferns grew over 100 feet high, and dragonflies had wingspans of six feet. There are fewer kinds of creatures today, and what we have are often smaller and weaker than what we find in the fossil record.

These facts don't present a picture of evolutionary development and improvement at all. It is a picture of a perfect creation corrupted by sin and running down. This is the same flow of history revealed in Scripture. But thankfully, Scripture shows us how in Christ Jesus there is escape from all the effects of sin!

You've copied and pasted all that directly from a creationist website without a link to the source. Plagiarism is lying. Lying is a sin.

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Old 04-12-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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Where did the building blocks of all we see originate?

Just because one believes in creation doesn't eliminate them from being interested in science.

Do you actually believe that things were created out of thin air?
How was your god created?
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:48 AM
 
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These facts don't present a picture of evolutionary development and improvement at all. It is a picture of a perfect creation corrupted by sin and running down. This is the same flow of history revealed in Scripture. But thankfully, Scripture shows us how in Christ Jesus there is escape from all the effects of sin!
Or maybe mass extinctions caused by asteroid impacts, volcanic eruptions, and other natural disasters caused a giant reset, followed by evolution that progressed in a different manner?

Nah, couldn't be that...
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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Conversely, evolution can't be proven either.
Visit the Galapagos islands sometime. You'll discover how wrong you are. Identical species on different islands have evolved differently over time. Fact. Indisputable.

Try again.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Point Hope Alaska
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Then Charles Darwin must have been a complete idiot.... He believed in Jesus Christ - He said so. He was a bible believing Christian who got ticked off @ the lord on a voyage to india. Charles Darwin stole that manuscript that was written by someone else.

Read his life's story and find out the truth of who he actually was.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:25 AM
 
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Ridiculous, but easy enough to work around. When one of my students mentions religion, I just pop in PBS Evolution series segment with Ken Miller. That usually appeases them. Yes yes, there are Christians out there that are cool with evolution. Don't worry, God isn't going to smite you for learning the definition of allopatric speciation. All is well.
You are the poster child for what is wrong with public education! Of course you believe that what you believe is the only information that should be presented, with everything else censored. And no doubt, your "students" will unfortunately end up with a similarly "closed mind".

Funny you should mention "Speciation" since it is the most preposterous element of Darwinist theories, requiring a mentality so flawed, such a mind should not be teaching anyone anything.

"Evolution" in the sense that organisms naturally mutate is a well observed phenomenon. Natural selection and survival of the fittest is also well demonstrated. Both are reasonable hypothesis' and evidence backed. Speciation, on the other hand, has no foundation in fact ... no evidence in support ... and is quite literally void of rational thinking and plain common sense. Far from scientifically based .. speciation is nothing more than the meanderings of a 19th century kook that's been adopted as the counter argument to the equally absurd notions of those who believe in the existence of a fellow with a white flowing beard floating amongst the clouds, preparing lightening bolts to cast at earthing sinners below.

Once you separate dogma from the science, what you will be left with is a more reasonable picture of reality. Mutation of genetic code is real, but cannot account for species change or added complexity of an existing species, simply becuase mutation is "subtractive" .. not additive. You don't get more genetic information through mutation, you get less. It's quite literally "damage" to segments of the code. The very idea is akin to believeing that you could take a Ford Escort ... wreck it, repeatedly .. and eventually wind up with a Farrari. Ain't gonna happen ... but that is precisely what you are "teaching" your unfortunate students.

Fast forward to the 20th Century, and leaving Darwin behind, we discoverd a little thing called DNA .. something Darwin had no idea even existed. And the structure and complexity of DNA is such that only a pure idiot could accept as being the result of a random process of "evolution". It's like some distant future explorer discovering a 1000 year old Swiss Watch and labeling it as a naturally occuring product of nature, constructed via random mixing of earth's metals over eons of time. The only real difference being that DNA is a Million fold more complex, and exponentially unlikely.

Moreover, scientific studies and experiments have uncovered some rather startling new information that has not really made it to the mainstream and certianly not to the textbooks used to "educate" the sheeple. In fact, some of this information litterally proves how preposterous Darwinian Evolution actually is (if common sense didn't accomplish the task).

What was proven was that contrary to what is still taught in schools, all the way up through advanced university study, "Genetic Control" is all wrong. A Dr. Bruce Litpton proved in the 1970's that genes do not dictate what a thing becomes, but is subject to outside environmental influences. Other studies and experiments performed showed the existence of instant species change through the rewiting of DNA code (additive) from information transmitted from sources outside the DNA code itself. Instant speciation ... not speciation from eons of negative mutation.

At the end of the day, the question of the origin of life is still unanswered. Nobody knows. Not the creationists or the evolutionists. What we should know is that whether you believe in the old man in the clouds with the white flowing beard ... or another fellow of similar description residing on earth in the 1800's ... both theories are equally relagated to the category of childish fairytale.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:29 AM
 
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Visit the Galapagos islands sometime. You'll discover how wrong you are. Identical species on different islands have evolved differently over time. Fact. Indisputable.

Try again.
You are citing adaptation and variation within a species, which is a far cry from "speciation", which refers to one species evolving into an entirely different species.

Try again.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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You've copied and pasted all that directly from a creationist website without a link to the source. Plagiarism is lying. Lying is a sin.

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I thought it seemed particularly well-written piece by Union member SD, survivor of 15 heart attacks, 7 strokes, and recipient of four (4) 'pensions' (including disability benefits from the Federal government).
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Old 04-12-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Alternative views are fine, so long as they are reasonable.. The problem with creationism as an "alternative view" is that it flies in direct opposition to known facts.
What "known" facts are those - and how do they contradict the existance of a Creator?
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