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Old 04-12-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Talk about deflection. The course is run by socialists and it's very obvious that its going to be an indoctrination course nothing more nothing less. I take it a lot of people on here saying they don't see the problem with this have never been to college or forget what it's like going to college. Since you do encounter preachers in college not professors who don't want to actually teach but just force there beliefs upon you. If you question there beliefs they tend to do there best to fail you for daring to question them and I'll bet everything I own that's how this course is run by the professors.
It's obvious that it's going to be indoctrination? Only to someone with paranoid tendencies.

 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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DC at the Ridge - I hearby accuse you of being an Intellectual! Congratulations.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:38 PM
 
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It's about centralized control of the economy run by a few with the government being all powerful.



It's about centralized control of the economy run by a few with the government being all powerful.

Some minor differences but in essence the same thing.
Minor differences? OMG, I can't respond. That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. Minor differences.

Fundamental differences.

Socialism is completely opposed to corporatism.

Fascism doesn't just embrace corporatism, it's fundamental to the entire philosophy.

Socialism shuns nationalism.

Fascism is built on nationalism.

These differences are fundamental. They are about the entire reasoning for why the systems do what they do, the reasons they do what they do. That's definitive differences, not minor differences.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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DC at the Ridge - I hearby accuse you of being an Intellectual! Congratulations.
I wish I had the brain power to be an intellectual.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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OH, I read you, dear. Unfortunately, your assertion that it always leads to the same conclusion is irrelevant.
Actually its completely relevant since in Philosophy you are taught (at least you were supposed to) about the need for practicality. If a philosophy is not practical ie Communism, Marxism, Socialism, etc. then you discuss its failures and why it doesn't work and don't advocate it. That's not what we are seeing with this course.

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The course is about studying a particular philosophy. Like a course that studies Friedman economics and how Friedman's theories might be applied. Like a course studying behaviorism in psychology. We take certain theorists, and break down the theories, study how they function, where they fail. Studying Marx and his version of communism is no different than studying Keynes and his economic theories.
Difference between keynes and Marx is keynes theories didn't kill millions of people. That and this is going to be an indoctrination course trying to turn kids into communist not a course pointing out its obvious failures.

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We study specific people and theories to gain a larger understanding of a broader topic. The fact that you don't want people to study a subject like communism says a lot about you.
Again, this isn't studying the failure of communism this is an indoctrination course run by socialists that have a clear agenda.

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Like how you want to hide your head and close your eyes instead of deal with reality. You know, the reality that there are countries in the world that embrace communism.
How did the communists come into power exactly? Oh right they had violent revolutions and after they won killed everyone who disagreed with them. Real peaceful way of doing things...but can't let anything stand in the way of equality right?

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Understanding what they are embracing adds to our understanding of those countries, of their people, of their economic and foreign policies. Understanding and knowledge are what we need. Not people who advocate for ignorance.
Problem is that this course is advocating nothing but ignorance and those that are supportive of it are showing how massively ignorant they are for not realizing it. Since it's an indoctrination course nothing more nothing less.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It's obvious that it's going to be indoctrination? Only to someone with paranoid tendencies.
Whose being paranoid? Its obvious to anyone with half a brain whose being honest.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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Whose being paranoid? Its obvious to anyone with half a brain whose being honest.
Please list your reasons that you think it will be an indoctronation course, and not a course to learn about Marxism itself.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:58 PM
 
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Minor differences? OMG, I can't respond. That's the stupidest thing I've ever read. Minor differences.
Yup minor difference since in the end it was the same result with the government being run by a powerful few with complete control over everyone. I take it you never read "the road to serfdom" before.

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Fundamental differences.

Socialism is completely opposed to corporatism.

Fascism doesn't just embrace corporatism, it's fundamental to the entire philosophy.
It's the same exact concept and Mussolini was a former marxists. It's a different twist on socialism but in essence the same exact thing.

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Socialism shuns nationalism.
Really? The Chinese and North Koreans have always been nationalistic. It think you have a hard time separating theory from what actually happens when these systems are put into practice.

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Fascism is built on nationalism.
Fascism was built as an excuse to gain power and just like any collectivist system the economy was run by a few individuals and the government became all powerful.

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These differences are fundamental. They are about the entire reasoning for why the systems do what they do, the reasons they do what they do. That's definitive differences, not minor differences.
The end results in the real world are the same so the difference in theory are insignificant.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Please list your reasons that you think it will be an indoctronation course, and not a course to learn about Marxism itself.
I already did please read my comments before asking me a question I already answered. Thank you and have nice day.
 
Old 04-12-2012, 01:01 PM
 
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Whose being paranoid? Its obvious to anyone with half a brain whose being honest.
You are being paranoid. Asserting that this is an indoctrination effort based on nothing more than your suspicions. Paranoia.
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