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HA! Nice deflection. I knew you wouldn't truly be in favor of "free thinking!" when it's not your cup of tea. You're a Progressive. But, you know what? That hypothetical course replacing the teaching of Nazism instead of Marxism might actually benefit you. You might learn about the difference between freedom and propaganda as it applies to Fascism. I'd also recommend a book called, "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg that might help remind people how Fascism, contrary to popular belief, doesn't necessarily come from the Right.
Where did I say I would oppose it? I asked you how you thought Nazism and Marxism were on equal footing.
Nice non-answer, by the way.
But would I oppose a college course in which the professor actually believed in the inferiority of Jews and others, and exhorted students to go protest at Synagogues and yell "die, you dirty Jews!" and he wasn't role-playing, but was advocating his beliefs, why yes, I'd oppose that.
This isn't the same as opposing a class examining Nazism, its history, its beliefs, etc. I would not oppose that, and most 20th century history classes include a section on it.
who cares.......who goes to Portland State anyways........unless they are going to promoye their Marxism when their managing McDonalds
OP typically digs up cases of educational "outrages" all across the country, despite not being a part of the community in question. Must be the central-planning type who wants a top-down approach to education, overriding local control.
OP typically digs up cases of educational "outrages" all across the country, despite not being a part of the community in question. Must be the central-planning type who wants a top-down approach to education, overriding local control.
Cute response. Perhaps you are unaware that tax payer Federal dollars work their way into all public universities? Or perhaps you are the type who really doesn't want people aware of what is going on all across this country. Scared people might start connecting the dots?
HA! Nice deflection. I knew you wouldn't truly be in favor of "free thinking!" when it's not your cup of tea. You're a Progressive. But, you know what? That hypothetical course replacing the teaching of Nazism instead of Marxism might actually benefit you. You might learn about the difference between freedom and propaganda as it applies to Fascism. I'd also recommend a book called, "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg that might help remind people how Fascism, contrary to popular belief, doesn't necessarily come from the Right.
Depends on what you mean. Fascism is simply a new word for an old thing I like to call the British Empire. And current "conservative" policy tends towards that unlike the classic liberalism of the founders of the US(Scottish enlightenment). Hitler of course was trying to emulate the British Empire so the comparison is quite appropriate.
The fact that it doesn't work, has never worked, and its only real result is to oppress and destroy nations... but people keep trying it anyway?
Perhaps they should rename the course "A Study in National Suicide"... and then examine it all they want. At least they would be giving a more rounded and accurate description.
BTW, when is Portland State going to offer courses in "Flat Earth geography"?
...since they seem interested in subjects that appear true to the uncritical eye but cannot stand up to reality?
What relevance does flat earth geography have to today's society?
See the last line of my post... which you quoted but apparently did not read.
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The word "Marxism" is constantly invoked in our political discourse. I think it's a good thing for people to know what it is. And let them make their own judgment of whether they agree with it or not.
I agree completely... which is why I proposed exactly that.
I wish the school that I went to offered a course like this. I've attended a few classes on Marxism from other insitutions; it's a fascinating topic.
Trust me, learning about Marxism is probably the best way to understand the benefits of Capitalism.
Get real. They are not just learning about Marxism so they can appreciate the benefits of Capitalism. The professors are self identified Socialists. The students will be actively applying what they learn in the Community as they are hooked up with groups like Occupy. Read the article.
Progressive/Socialist Professors all over the country are busy instructing our youth on how to abolish Capitalism through whatever means are necessary. Here is another example:
The vast armies of people who hold opinions on subject matter they know nothing about?
I just finished reading this whole thread and am convinced that I know a bit more about what will happen with something like this course from personal experience. I will relate why I feel this way and you people who are so in favor of something like this class can come back telling me that I was talking to rather stupid people, 19 - 20 year olds who knew nothing about Communism back in 1952. You would think that at that time in the history of the US people would have been better informed.
OK. As a college sophomore minoring in history and very interested in politics and my field I attempted to make a speech in Speech class that was supposed to be a heckling speech. I knew that those kids had to know as much about Russian Communism as I did so was sure heckling would come at me. Guess what? Not one word was directed at what I said in trying the students to become good Communists.
As I talked I could see from the eyes of those people that they were being taken in so when I finished I was panic stricken that in 1952 at the very beginning of he Cold War I had convinced those kids that they should join in. About the only thing I could think of was to start posting disclaimers about so much I had said. The first thing I talked with them about was the Dictatorship of the Proletariat and I asked them if they knew how long that entity had been in power in the Soviet Union. They didn't seem to mind a dictatorship as long as it only planned to be there until all could learn to live under Communist thought. I think that many younger people today would go along with that line of thought.
I struggled with those kids, very hard and don't think I managed to deprogram many if any of them. At that time I had read quite a bit about how the Communists of the 20s and 30s had worked with college students and knew that there doesn't tend to be more easily impressed people in the world than those of college age. I tried some of those methods on high school students and didn't have nearly as much effect as I did on those kids.
I won't waste time talking about kids getting away from their parents and wanting to be thinking their own way. It is too obvious.
I also read the part of that syllabus that wanted kids to take part in the Occupy movement and other activist groups. It scares the hell out of me knowing what I know about kids of college age and how easy they are to pull along. I agree with everybody here who has said that we must provide some knowledge about so many things but I do know a little more about this subject than most here do.
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