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Old 09-19-2007, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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It means that we're not talking about fixing a city street,

This is about issues that come up in Congrees not the Mayor's office. This is not very complicated.
You want streets fixed, see the mayor.

You want money to fix the streets, see Congress.
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Old 09-19-2007, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Coming soon to a town near YOU!
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All of that is outlined in the budget and appropriated to the respective agencies, not some vague DC cookie jar.
Yes, I agree (sorry if my answer made it seem otherwise). I think that when they give the numbers of XXX taxes collected vs XXX dollars spent, it includes everything that goes on within the borders of DC. But of course, DC has absolutely no say in any of it.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:30 AM
 
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You want streets fixed, see the mayor.

You want money to fix the streets, see Congress.
And when issues on proposed legislation etc, your representation is in Congress, except for residents of DC who have no voting representation.

Every other American has a Congressman representating their district and two Senators. All 3 vote on legislation. DC, zero.

Still confused?
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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And when issues on proposed legislation etc, your representation is in Congress, except for residents of DC who have no voting representation.

Every other American has a Congressman representating their district and two Senators. All 3 vote on legislation. DC, zero.

Still confused?
My goodness, Joe. DC's representatives -- all 535 of 'em -- are right across the street, not 3000 miles away. There's even a Congressional Committee on the District of Columbia, devoted solely to DC business. DC folks can lobby in person without breaking a sweat.

That's much better access than the rest of us have.

What's confusing about that?
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:19 AM
 
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They have no vote on issues such as "should we go to war with this or that country," "should Welfare be changed," "should gay marriage be banned through a constitutional amendment" or whatever... we're talking about REPRESENTATION and DEMOCRACY, not pork or earmarks.
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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They have no vote on issues such as "should we go to war with this or that country," "should Welfare be changed," "should gay marriage be banned through a constitutional amendment" or whatever... we're talking about REPRESENTATION and DEMOCRACY, not pork or earmarks.
Neither does a Republican in a red state or a Democrat in a blue one.

Except theoretically, which I think is your point.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:00 PM
 
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If DC residents don't have federal representation, they shouldn't have to pay federal income taxes. Just like Puerto Rico.

End of problem.
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Old 09-20-2007, 12:52 PM
 
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My goodness, Joe. DC's representatives -- all 535 of 'em -- are right across the street, not 3000 miles away. There's even a Congressional Committee on the District of Columbia, devoted solely to DC business. DC folks can lobby in person without breaking a sweat.

That's much better access than the rest of us have.

What's confusing about that?

...and you still go back to misguided logic. They don't have representation on ISSUES. Yes the roads get paved, but residents do not have representation on issues.
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Old 09-20-2007, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Without becoming too prolix, exactly why do you folks think the District, at its creation, was NOT given additional representation in Congress, aside from a standing Congressional committee devoted to nothing but DC's interests?

Do you think it might have something to do with the danger that would accompany creating a permanent partisan governmental structure within our nation's capital, which, I remind you, is the capital of ALL the United States?

Besides -- anyone who has been to DC is well aware that it is firmly in the Democrat party orbit, and has been -- de facto -- since FDR's administration.

Surely you are aware that our government REALLY has FOUR branches (five, if you count lobbyists) -- Legislative, Judicial, Executive, and Bureaucratic. And the Bureaucratic branch -- tenured, secure, never-changing, able to affect the administration of policy in subtle and not-so-subtle ways -- is in DC, and is about 95% Democrat in its sympathies and its policies. Any experienced DC hand will tell you that the rare Republican administrations are understood to be visitors -- interlopers -- in the District.

So -- you may carry on about DC being under-represented, if you wish. Wiser folks know better. That's why they (INCLUDING the Democrats in Congress) have no wish to rock their very comfortable boat.
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Old 09-20-2007, 01:41 PM
 
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The representation that is lacking is for the people who live in the District. This has nothing to with the employers, government or otherwise. Please stop making this about anything and everything else.
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