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Old 05-15-2012, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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While the full political implications of the president's same-sex marriage verdict remain to be seen, Gallup released a poll Friday showing 51% of Americans approve of Obama's support for gay couples to marry, while 45% disapprove. The survey was conducted entirely after he announced his endorsement in an ABC News interview on Wednesday.
Obama talks same-sex marriage on "The View" - CNN.com

 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Christians (something that is unequivocally a 100% chosen lifestyle)? It would be prefectly constitutional to ban Christians from getting a civil marriage or from, say, getting a driver's license?

The answer of course is no. Likewise, the answer is no if you replace "Christians" with "homosexuals." Whether my being gay is inherent (which it is) or if it's simply a lifestyle I chose (which it is not), the 14th Amendment applies, and I am entitled to equal treatment under our civil, secular laws.
Apparently everyone has the right to a driver's license, and we should not deny anyone a license, for any reason. If my state wanted to say only 18 year olds who can pass a written and practical test can get a license, then the left would scream its unconstitutional.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It matters not what the left's Messiah thinks about it, since he has publicly stated that he held every position on gay marriage over the years.


The left's Messiah

More than two thirds of Americans believe President Obama's public endorsement of gay marriage was motivated by politics, according to a new CBS News/New York Times poll.

A total of 67 percent overall said it was a political maneuver. That includes 86 percent of Republicans, and -- more importantly -- 70 percent of independents.

Poll: most Americans think Obama's gay-marriage endorsement was politically motivated
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by hammertime33 View Post
So the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to Christians (something that is unequivocally a 100% chosen lifestyle)? It would be prefectly constitutional to ban Christians from getting a civil marriage or from, say, getting a driver's license?

The answer of course is no. Likewise, the answer is no if you replace "Christians" with "homosexuals." Whether my being gay is inherent (which it is) or if it's simply a lifestyle I chose (which it is not), the 14th Amendment applies, and I am entitled to equal treatment under our civil, secular laws.
Apparently, you haven't read or have failed to understand - the 1st Amendment.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Apparently everyone has the right to a driver's license, and we should not deny anyone a license, for any reason.
Is a driver's license a civil right or a benefit and privilege?
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Originally Posted by walidm View Post
Is a driver's license a civil right or a benefit and privilege?
Is gay marriage a "civil right"?
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Exclamation hmm...

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It matter not what the left's Messiah thinks about it, since he has publicly stated that he held every position on gay marriage over the years.
Why does the right insist upon calling President's Gods?

This behavior and the message that you seek a savior as President has always been intriguing.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Is gay marriage a "civil right"?
Was the question too difficult?
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Apparently, you haven't read or have failed to understand - the 1st Amendment.
I don't understand at all what you're saying here. We're talking about the 14th Amendment.
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:19 AM
 
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Is a driver's license a civil right or a benefit and privilege?
Both. Civil laws confer things - benefits, privileges, protections, and responsibilities. Collectively, those things are called civil, or legal, rights.

Civil marriage laws confer the civil rights of marriage. Civil laws controlling the usage of public roadways confer the civil rights of driving.
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