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Old 05-09-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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I think you have that backwards. The first amendment suddenly appears for the Muslim, yet disappears for the Christian. (See state funded foot baths in colleges for the Muslim faith) One thing about the display of the 10 commandments. No money is exchanging hands.
Footbaths are not overtly religious symbols, and they serve a secular purpose--hygiene.

What secular purpose does the display of an overtly religious symbol provide?
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Old 05-09-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Really? This is the only way you can imagine?

Following the U.S. Constitution wouldn't be an option, then?
I thought it always has been. Wow, could've fooled me.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Footbaths are not overtly religious symbols, and they serve a secular purpose--hygiene.

What secular purpose does the display of an overtly religious symbol provide?
Foot baths are for prayer times and are tax payer funded.

Display of the 10 Commandments is just that, a display. No one is funding or establishing a thing. Our past is our past, it is history, whether it be something written down in Biblical form or not...our society extends some 3000 years of evolution with the rise and fall of many civilizations.

The study of archaeology and the science tells us of what use to be. It is relevant to our future.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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well jack, i would follow the constitution to the letter and hand it to the states. some states would go the voucher route, others the centralized dept of education route, some might privatize, others would devolve it to the counties etc. i think 50 experiments in how best to educate kids would be much better than placing all our bets on one system, which if you ask me, is failing.

the point i made earlier is that if the state, county or municipal school displayed the commandments, there'd be those who would have an opinion about religion in taxpayer funded schools. only the places where they privatized school entirely, would the debate be settled. do you understand my point now?
No, you're not making any sense.

Maybe you're just very confused. Public schools are not operated by the federal government, and the federal government isn't forcing the states to have public schools. In every single state the public schools are operated by state or (mostly) municipal governments, which are a creature of state government.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:16 PM
 
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God trumps the founding fathers!!!!!!
You put your hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; you don't put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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What about in court houses?


No, I'm pretty sure you're mixing up Christians with Radical Muslims.
Common mistake.

Google inquisition and enjoy the horror.

Muslim and Christian believe the same God. So they are all the same to me. :-)
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Can't have historical reminders of the founding of the nation, and our laws were heavily influenced by things like the Ten Commandments.
Uh... no, they were highly influenced by Greek and Roman thinkers, writers, and philosophers, with a smattering of other cultures thrown in.

Highly suggest you listen to the Thomas Jefferson Podcast and learn about one of the Founding Fathers in depth and how he influenced the founding of the United States.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Freedom of expression...?
They could hang a picture of a naked person and call it art. But the 10 commandments are out! O-U-T----out.

Yes, gotta love that 1st amendment...
Why? Do you have any problem with a human body?
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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You put your hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution; you don't put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible.

The court has ruled that we don't need to put hands on the bible anymore.
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Old 05-09-2012, 02:29 PM
 
Location: the Beaver State
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Your irrational fears aside, the reality is that no one in the US suffers any repercussions from not going to church, for not believing in any god, nor is anyone punished for worshiping in a non-Christian religion.
You mean, other then the overt hostility after telling my neighbors I didn't believe in God, and wasn't really interested in attending their church when I first moved into my current residence?
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