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what right did the British have to give away other people's land?
How did you determine that it was somebody else's land? The Jews pre-date the Arabs to the land by more than a thousand years. The Jews have had a continuous unbroken presence in the land while the Arabs have not. The Jews have outnumbered the Arabs in Israel for 95% of the time the land has been inhabited. The Jews have set up numerous independant governments in Israel over the centuries - the Arabs to this very day have not yet done so.
You make some kind of pre-determined judgement that the land belonged to the Arabs in 1917, but what facts do you have to back that up?
How did you determine that it was somebody else's land? The Jews pre-date the Arabs to the land by more than a thousand years. The Jews have had a continuous unbroken presence in the land while the Arabs have not. The Jews have outnumbered the Arabs in Israel for 95% of the time the land has been inhabited. The Jews have set up numerous independant governments in Israel over the centuries - the Arabs to this very day have not yet done so.
You make some kind of pre-determined judgement that the land belonged to the Arabs in 1917, but what facts do you have to back that up?
Well, typically when people are there before you, it's their land. The Native Americans were here before the settlers from Europe arrived in America, just as the Aboriginals were in Australia before the British arrived. There are countless examples of Europeans stealing and claiming indigenous land as their own.
Surely, you are not arguing that Russian Jews, (who have great great great great grandparents from the area known as modern day Russia) are entitled to live in Palestine simply because the Russian claims to have Jewish ancestry, despite having no real ties to the region.
Palestinians were actually there already, (for thousands of years) and owned homes in the area prior to the Europeans arrival. After the Europeans kicked them off the land, the Palestinians were forced into settlement camps.
It's crazy that you actually believe that a European Jew has every right to call that region home, just because England declared that Palestine would become the new state of Israel.
Well the turmoil and persecution of the Jews is very well known throughout the world - that is no secret.
But God promised them- and told them in explicit detail what was going to happen to them if they disobeyed HIM. YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS - ye shall be scattered through the uttermost parts of the earth. Your enemies will conquer you! Whew!! (sarcasm) its' a good thing god doesn't exist and the bible is full of fairy tales THAT JUST HAPPENS magically to come true; EXACTLY AS PREDICTED! THEN.... He told them in much more explicit detail how he would establish a land for them and bring them from every corner of the globe to their promised land (in the desert) and make it FLOURISH!!
When ye see the 'fig tree bloom" .. .. May 17th 1948!
God you are a bore. Do you have to bring religion to every single post of yours?
The bible is always reffered to as: The Word of God!
Jesus Christ only spoke.... God's word - he quoted from every book in the Old Testament and gave credence to the FACT God used inspired men to write HIS BOOK!
When you use a "bic" pen and you write a letter - when you sign it you have to lie! you sign your name when in fact Bic wrote the letter as you guided the pen!
By you and other people blinded by religion. The rest of us don't buy into it, and neither should our secular govt.
Well, typically when people are there before you, it's their land. The Native Americans were here before the settlers from Europe arrived in America, just as the Aboriginals were in Australia before the British arrived. There are countless examples of Europeans stealing and claiming indigenous land as their own.
Surely, you are not arguing that Russian Jews, (who have great great great great grandparents from the area known as modern day Russia) are entitled to live in Palestine simply because the Russian claims to have Jewish ancestry, despite having no real ties to the region.
Palestinians were actually there already, (for thousands of years) and owned homes in the area prior to the Europeans arrival. After the Europeans kicked them off the land, the Palestinians were forced into settlement camps.
It's crazy that you actually believe that a European Jew has every right to call that region home, just because England declared that Palestine would become the new state of Israel.
You keep putting qualifying adjectives before the word Jew to help your arguement. Bottom line, is a Jew in Russia has a geneology that ties him back to the land of Israel in an unbroken chain going back 3300 years. The Arabs cannot claim that. I find it so amusing that you want to use "who was there first" as your claim to the land for Hamas and the PLO, when it's universally indisputed that the Jews have continuously held the land of Israel for 3300 years. And the "Palestinians" were invented in the 1960s.
Now if you want to discuss the 5,000 or so living Arabs who lived in Israel in 1948 who are now living in Arab-forced refugee camps, then let's have a dialog. Those folks who were literally kicked out of their homes have a claim - certainly worth discussing and finding a solution. of course if you want to award land to that tiny little population of Arabs who lost their homes in 1948, you'll need to do the same for the tens of thousands of living Jews were forcefully expelled from their homes in Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc in 1948. Is that really the route you want to take?
How did you determine that it was somebody else's land? The Jews pre-date the Arabs to the land by more than a thousand years. The Jews have had a continuous unbroken presence in the land while the Arabs have not. The Jews have outnumbered the Arabs in Israel for 95% of the time the land has been inhabited. The Jews have set up numerous independant governments in Israel over the centuries - the Arabs to this very day have not yet done so.
You make some kind of pre-determined judgement that the land belonged to the Arabs in 1917, but what facts do you have to back that up?
Also, I'm not certain why you are equating the native Jews who are indigenous to the Middle East with the vast number of European Jews, who have no ties to the region.
Before 1917, Palestinians were of course the dominant group in Palestine, however, enclaves of indigenous Jews also resided side by side with them, with relatively no conflict. The indigenous Jews have the same right to the land as the Palestinians. I'm however arguing that Europeans who arrived with the support of the Western Nations have just as much right to the land as I do... None.
You keep putting qualifying adjectives before the word Jew to help your arguement. Bottom line, is a Jew in Russia has a geneology that ties him back to the land of Israel in an unbroken chain going back 3300 years. The Arabs cannot claim that. I find it so amusing that you want to use "who was there first" as your claim to the land for Hamas and the PLO, when it's universally indisputed that the Jews have continuously held the land of Israel for 3300 years. And the "Palestinians" were invented in the 1960s.
Now if you want to discuss the 5,000 or so living Arabs who lived in Israel in 1948 who are now living in Arab-forced refugee camps, then let's have a dialog. Those folks who were literally kicked out of their homes have a claim - certainly worth discussing and finding a solution. of course if you want to award land to that tiny little population of Arabs who lost their homes in 1948, you'll need to do the same for the tens of thousands of living Jews were forcefully expelled from their homes in Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc in 1948. Is that really the route you want to take?
I will not debate with a person who believes that a European Jew in Russia (or in any other part of the globe) has the same right to Palestine as an indigenous Palestinian.
I will not debate with a person who believes that a European Jew in Russia (or in any other part of the globe) has the same right to Palestine as an indigenous Palestinian.
We obviously are talking 2 different languanges. Maybe this will help.
"Indiginous Palestinians," as you call them date back only a few decades. I'll have to look for a source to back this up, but for what it's worth... I doubt there are more than a few thousand "Palestinians" who can trace their lineage back more than 1 single generation that lived in Israeli territory. If I can find the numbers, I'm going to guess that 95% of Palestinaians have a grandparent who lived their whole life in Egypt, Jordan, Syria or Lebanon.
Do you understand this? There are very very precious few "indiginous Palestinians." This "nation" you are referring to, was created in the 1960s. You're basing your whole belief system on the region on myth. And I'll save telling you all who created that myth.
Even when others controlled Jerusalem, Jews maintained a physical presence in the city, despite being persecuted and impoverished. Before the advent of modern Zionism in the 1880s, Jews were moved by a form of religious Zionism to live in the Holy Land, settling particularly in four holy cities: Safed, Tiberias, Hebron, and most importantly – Jerusalem. Consequently, Jews constituted a majority of the city’s population for generations. In 1898, “In this City of the Jews, where the Jewish population outnumbers all others three to one …” Jews constituted 75 percent6 of the Old City population in what Secretary-General Kofi Annan called ‘East Jerusalem.’ In 1914, when the Ottoman Turks ruled the city, 45,000 Jews made up a majority of the 65,000 residents. And at the time of Israeli statehood in 1948, 100,000 Jews lived in the city, compared to only 65,000 Arabs.7 Prior to unification, Jordanian-controlled ‘East Jerusalem’ was a mere 6 square kilometers, compared to 38 square kilometers on the ‘Jewish side.’
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Despite 1,300 years of Muslim Arab rule, Jerusalem was never the capital of an Arab entity, nor was it ever mentioned in the Palestine Liberation Organization’s covenant until Israel regained control of East Jerusalem in the Six-Day War of 1967.
Overall, the role of Jerusalem in Islam is best understood as the outcome of political exigencies impacting on religious belief.
Mohammed, who founded Islam in 622 CE, was born and raised in present-day Saudi Arabia; he never set foot in Jerusalem.
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Palestinians have nurtured a myth that historically there were two Jerusalems – an Arab ‘East Jerusalem’ and a Jewish ‘West Jerusalem.’
Jerusalem was never an Arab city; Jews have held a majority in Jerusalem since 187020, and ‘east-west’ is a geographic, not political designation. It is no different than claiming the Eastern shore of Maryland should be a separate political entity from the rest of that state.
In 1880, Jews constituted 52 percent of the Old City population in East Jerusalem and were still inhabiting 42 percent of the Old City in 1914.21 In 1948, there were 100,000 Jews in Jerusalem, with 60,000 Arabs. A joint Jordanian-Israeli census reported that 67.7 percent of the city’s population in 1961 was Jewish. A 1967 aerial photo reveals the truth about the area called ‘East Jerusalem’: it was no more than an overcrowded walled city with a few scattered neighborhoods surrounded by villages. Prior to unification, Jordanian-controlled East Jerusalem was a mere 6 square kilometers, compared to 38 square kilometers on the Jewish side.
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