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Old 05-14-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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This topic reminds me of a great bumper sticker I read:

"I'll believe that a corporation is a person when Texas executes one."
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:44 PM
 
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So you're saying, then, that they grow into their psychosis as they advance? That the corporations are breeding them rather than them having been born that way?

That could be. People do tend to get big heads as they move up. I don't call that psychosis, though. I just call it a crappy boss who has gotten too big for his britches.
I'm not saying that, unless you are referring to someone else. Sociopaths/psychopaths are (from what little I know) are born that way or learn to be so at such an early age that it is an imprint that they follow for life. Some believe that they can never be cured of not being able to feel for another person, but some can be taught a logical ethical behavior so that at least they go through society not harming others.

I think they may be attracted to professions in which they can reach great heights or be rewarded by manipulating others, like management of corporations and politicians.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:46 PM
 
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This topic reminds me of a great bumper sticker I read:

"I'll believe that a corporation is a person when Texas executes one."
Or allows people to marry corporations?
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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If a corporation ISNT a person, they dont wont have to pay taxes, or be sued, or have to follow governmental regulations. Is this what you believe?
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Or allows people to marry corporations?
What a stupid comparison because children are people, and you cant marry one
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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so it's been a few weeks since my last post, thread, etc

i've been reading about sociopaths/psychopaths. interesting stuff. it ties into an awesome interview I heard with Paul Babiak, author of "Snakes in Suits".

A premise of the book is that top executives and wall streeters exhibit many psychopathic traits.

how does this relate to corporations, well this author summed it up nicely from a past documentary movie that asked the question: if corporations are people, then what kind of person is the corporation?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/13/op...me&ref=general

Answer - A psycopath.

There's a lot in the article that will make many conservatives or true believers in capitalism upset but that's par for the course if you challenge the basic tenets of capitalism.
This isn't a new idea, or even one many people would disagree with.

A corporation is legally bound to maximise profit for its shareholders. That is it. It will therefore behave in that manner.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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If corporations are people, they should pay taxes, just like people do.
They do, and just like people, when you have no pofit through the year, you owe $0 taxes.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:51 PM
 
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Uhm.. I was referring to democrats.

For the record, I was educated in Catholic schools. I have been an atheist, and a capitalist for my entire adult life. Most atheist wannabes are people espousing the socialist doctrines and dogma so common to the democratic party. If one is really an atheist, exactly how can one claim to hold moral concepts? It's a little intellectually dishonest don't you think?

I personally think most who call themselves atheist are simply disenchanted with one form of mystical nonsense and desperately searching for some other spiritual dogma that is happily supplied by the democrats. I mean seriously, if you are cognitive and mature enough to accept that there is no such thing as right or wrong, how can you readily accept the exact same moralistic nonsense fed by democrats? Democrats and Republicans are nothing more than two different factions of equally disturbed religious fanatics but at least the bible thumpers actually realize they are in a religion so I must give them the slight edge.

It's religion that names the nihilistic realist a psychopath.
Oh, my goodness. I guess you did not read my Wiki definition.
People certainly can believe that there is a right and wrong without believing in a punishing god of some sort.

I am amazed that you've never met such a person. There are many atheists who work in soup kitchens, help old ladies across streets, help find homes for homeless animals, give to the arts. Maybe you could try some of these things and you'd be pleasantly enlightened.

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Old 05-15-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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What makes you think they don't?
Every time I hear a comment like this I have to wonder exactly what is being taught in public schools. I've been told they stopped teaching general business and basic economics in public schools over 40 years ago and it certainly is evident.

Corporate tax rates in the US are the highest in the free world. Corporations pay the bulk of all taxes paid. If the government was relying on only the taxes of the poor underprivileged and downtrodden worker class then revenues would be less than 100 million a year. That would fuel the government behemoth for about 10 minutes. Where do you suppose the rest of the money comes from?

Beside that, if you really have issue with corporations then you need to talk to the folks running your state because corps are governed and registered by the states. There are reasons there are more Delaware corporations than people (taxes). There are also advantages for individuals who live in California to incorporate in Nevada (nothing to do with taxes).
Only 9% of the U.S government's tax revenue comes from Corporations.

Highest on paper, but most nations don't have the loopholes we have - such as the good ol' Irish Shuffle.
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Old 05-15-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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What makes you think they don't?
Every time I hear a comment like this I have to wonder exactly what is being taught in public schools. I've been told they stopped teaching general business and basic economics in public schools over 40 years ago and it certainly is evident.

Corporate tax rates in the US are the highest in the free world. Corporations pay the bulk of all taxes paid. If the government was relying on only the taxes of the poor underprivileged and downtrodden worker class then revenues would be less than 100 million a year. That would fuel the government behemoth for about 10 minutes. Where do you suppose the rest of the money comes from?

Beside that, if you really have issue with corporations then you need to talk to the folks running your state because corps are governed and registered by the states. There are reasons there are more Delaware corporations than people (taxes). There are also advantages for individuals who live in California to incorporate in Nevada (nothing to do with taxes).
But US corporations pay amongst the least in taxes, because of all the loopholes. GE paid no taxes at all last year.
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