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Agreed.
I do wonder why, if there was no paperwork on file, the nurse even had the inhaler to begin with. Generally, there is a hand-off that is not done unless the paperwork is in order.
The article says the dean of the school found the inhaler in the student's locker, in its original packaging. It was then taken "away" (doesn't say where).
Ya know, if I live to be 103, I'll never understand this statist-collectivist-leftist mentality of worshiping authority (big or small) and the self loathing that must be the source of automatically blaming the victims for these kinds of situations ... "well, it's the parents fault, blah, blah, blah." No, it cannot be someone else's fault when, in this case, an individual acts in such an egregious manner as to defy adequate description.
Your example of Mary and an aspirin is a lame attempt to rationalize the irrational, and to explain the inexplicable absence of common sense that personifies these types of events which are so prevalent in these modern times. Common sense it seems is rather "uncommon" these days, and you really do seem to have a slippery grip on it yourself.
The "zero tolarance" policy mentality you mentioned before is a perfect example of collectivists ability to gather and defy mathematics by never failing to embrace consensus views that lack an iota rational sense. And you need not look hard to find plentiful examples .... we seem neck deep it it ... from events like this one, to the stories of a 2rd grader being expelled from school for having a tiny little GI Joe gun in his pocket ... or the kid that get's arrested for falling asleep at his desk ... or the kid that get's kicked out of school because his mother packed a plastic knife in his lunch box ... the list is endless ... which just means the depth of stupidity appears to have no bottom. The only thing "zero tolerance" policies promote is zero tolerance for thinking ... which also happens to accurately define the public school system's approach to education, and the types that have slowly taken over the system.
These policies don't come from the public at the bottom .. they come down from "on high" ... whether that be at the federal level (which dictates a lot of this nonsense) or the local school boards which seem to attract the same idiot bureaucratic types that make up federal bodies. It's not the parents fault, other than perhaps their lack of collective will and organization to put a stop to these many manifestations of madness.
This school "nurse" who refused to aid this student because of a formality in administrative procedure would turn right around and not hesitate one second to jab a student with a vaccine needle filled with dangerous poisons, while telling the parents they have no choice .. that it is mandatory ... but refuses to give a kid his prescribed medication in an emergency? It's mind numbing craziness for which no adjective can adequately do justice.
Bureaucracies, be they large or small, are more often than not simply a collection point for idiots endowed with authority to force ill conceived collectivist views on larger groups of people who would otherwise never reach such conclusions on their own. Yet, the fact that the masses comply for the most part suggests that the last three or four generations may indeed be the dumbest collections of Americans ever to breathe air on the North American continent.
Are you capable of comprehending what you read?
Show me where I defended what happened here. SHOW ME.
I have merely pointed out that what happened here has NOTHING to do with governmnet healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with local school policy.
The fact that parents nowadays sue at the drop of a hat and employers fire people for not following policy to the letter has NOTHING to do with government healthcare.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp? And why are you attacking me for pointing it out?
There is probably more to this story than what is shown on the news, but whatever the real story is it has nothing to do with government healthcare. All schools, public, private or charter are going to require parental consent before the school nurse administers medication.
If this is somehow about librul agendas and socialist medicine, let me point out that this did NOT occur under any socialist health program, we do not have socialist medicine and that this incident occurred under a conservative mentality that blankets Florida. I will go so far as to say that this occurred because of the conservative mentality that we are all probably guilty of something until proven innocent. And all drugs are illegal and if a kid has a drug then it must be illegal and taken away. And if your papers aren't in order, you die! And if a kid can't pull himself up by his bootstraps and defeat the scourge of asthma by God's graces, then he deserves to die. All this happens under the current conservative death grip on the past that our country is under.
Agreed.
I do wonder why, if there was no paperwork on file, the nurse even had the inhaler to begin with. Generally, there is a hand-off that is not done unless the paperwork is in order.
In the story it tells you exactly how it all happened. Even though the mother had given a permission slip every year she somehow forgot to or it didn't get to the school at the beginning of the year. The boy HAD his inhaler with him. During a "surprise" locker check, the inhaler was found and confiscated by the principal. THEN the boy had an asthma attack and the inhaler was kept from him even though the school had it available for him, and then they did not call 911 when he was in obvious distress.
This is all definitely stupid on EVERYONE's part. The mother for not making sure the school had the paperwork (which the paperwork in and of itself every year is stupid), the principal for confiscating life saving medication from the student, the nurse keeping the meds from the boy and then not calling 911. Stupidity upon stupidity!
If this is somehow about librul agendas and socialist medicine, let me point out that this did NOT occur under any socialist health program, we do not have socialist medicine and that this incident occurred under a conservative mentality that blankets Florida. I will go so far as to say that this occurred because of the conservative mentality that we are all probably guilty of something until proven innocent. And all drugs are illegal and if a kid has a drug then it must be illegal and taken away. And if your papers aren't in order, you die! And if a kid can't pull himself up by his bootstraps and defeat the scourge of asthma by God's graces, then he deserves to die. All this happens under the current conservative death grip on the past that our country is under.
The point that so many of you seem to be missing is THIS is how our schools are run by the governemnt... they can't think for themselves enough to give the life saving medicines or to call 911 because they are too afraid of being sued and are too afraid to think case by case. This is how the government runs things.... to the extreme of stupidity and lack of being able to take a single case at hand and treat it individually. They follow the rules blindly as if the rules will save the person dying in front of them. THIS is what we KNOW the government run health care will be like because it's proven in every single government run entity. Whether it's the city, county, state or federal government, they don't run effeciently or with brains, they run it by the book and through tons of stupid red tape.
In the story it tells you exactly how it all happened. Even though the mother had given a permission slip every year she somehow forgot to or it didn't get to the school at the beginning of the year. The boy HAD his inhaler with him. During a "surprise" locker check, the inhaler was found and confiscated by the principal. THEN the boy had an asthma attack and the inhaler was kept from him even though the school had it available for him, and then they did not call 911 when he was in obvious distress.
This is all definitely stupid on EVERYONE's part. The mother for not making sure the school had the paperwork (which the paperwork in and of itself every year is stupid), the principal for confiscating life saving medication from the student, the nurse keeping the meds from the boy and then not calling 911. Stupidity upon stupidity!
LOL, "somehow forgot", or "it didn't get to the school at the beginning of the year". For a bunch of people that yap incessantly about "personal responsibility", this seems to be a primo example of lack thereof. Nine months later, the mom still hadn't "remembered" or "got it to the school".
Show me where I defended what happened here. SHOW ME.
No, not really .... because what I'm reading is incomprehensible. But, OK, I'll show you ..... you said:
"Don't local school boards establish zero tolerance policies? School boards that are usually made up of parents?
How is that big government?
Who should make school policy? "
And:
"Remember, kids can no longer carry their meds with them because some parent will sue the school if Susie gives Mary an asprin.....or a snort off of her inhaler. The parents brought these kinds of policies into being".
So the very clear message here is your claim that the parents are at fault, and the school is just protecting itself from these litigious legions lined up at their door to sue them, given the slightest reason. Clearly, you are defending the school's behavior, and I'M NOT BUYING IT !
And I'm not attacking you .. I'm calling BS.
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I have merely pointed out that what happened here has NOTHING to do with governmnet healthcare and EVERYTHING to do with local school policy.
First, I made no mention of government healthcare ... just government bureaucracy. Secondly, there is a repeating theme being seen in the public school systems across the country, which suggests that this isn't just a isolated "local" problem. And as I previously mentioned, this is appearing over and over again in countless many ridiculous reactions on the part of schools and staff, and how they deal so poorly with relatively simple, common sense issues and decisions. So either there is a common denominator among this vast number of local school districts, or we're witnessing an epidemic of mass insanity affecting those in the field of public education. And I wouldn't rule out the latter, since the liberal progressives do exhibit frequent symptoms of mental illness, and our education system is now infested with them.
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Originally Posted by Annie53
The fact that parents nowadays sue at the drop of a hat and employers fire people for not following policy to the letter has NOTHING to do with government healthcare.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp? And why are you attacking me for pointing it out?
Good grief man, go take your meds and chill out!
Oh baloney .... you're offering lame rationalizations .... the Kid was prescribed a breathing medication by a licensed freaking physician for a legitimate medical condition, which is not some exotic and unfamiliar ailment, but is running at epidemic levels these days! So, the kid has an asthma attack ... and the school officials take away HIS asthma medication and refuse to give it back to him because their administrative bureaucracy hadn't been satisfied? They chose to place this kid's life in jeopardy because they didn't have a piece of paper on file?
Of course, here you are offering explanations for why this school acted as it did, using some nonexistent threat of parents champing at the bit for a reason to sue the school, and I'm telling you there is no excuse or explanation for such idiocy. None, zero, natta, zilch. Why is this so hard for you and others to grasp?
And, unfortunately, you're not alone ... others seem to miss the point here too ... given this nonsense about "why didn't she call 911". Call 911? CALL 911 ? How about giving the kid back HIS freaking medication, because 7 to 10 minutes waiting for paramedics (someone with a damned functional brain) to show up is a long time to go without breathing.
Yes, it seems that this mysterious mass mental illness isn't just affecting our educators.
If this is somehow about librul agendas and socialist medicine, let me point out that this did NOT occur under any socialist health program, we do not have socialist medicine and that this incident occurred under a conservative mentality that blankets Florida. I will go so far as to say that this occurred because of the conservative mentality that we are all probably guilty of something until proven innocent. And all drugs are illegal and if a kid has a drug then it must be illegal and taken away. And if your papers aren't in order, you die! And if a kid can't pull himself up by his bootstraps and defeat the scourge of asthma by God's graces, then he deserves to die. All this happens under the current conservative death grip on the past that our country is under.
Baloney ... there is only one real conservative in national politics right now, and he wants to do away with the drug laws. And he gets the typical jeering from both sides.
When it comes to big government and bureaucracy, nobody does it or loves it better than liberals.
GuyNTexas.....did you miss the part where I said I think kids should be allowed to carry there own meds on them.....just like we did when I was in school?
I do not condone the mindless, zero-tolerance policies that are all the rage now.....I have just pointed out HOW and WHY they have come about.....I am not defending them.
And....it is not a liberal vs conservative problem.
It is crazy parents of both persuasions who sue at the drop of a hat.
Hell, I had to threaten to call children's services once on a neighbor who was allowing his grandchild to climb on a wishing well in my landscaping.
Why? Because if the kid fell off of it and broke a bone they would have probably sued me.
Hire a neighbor kid to mow the yard, shovel the driveway? Hell no! I would be crazy to take on that kind of liability.
And yes, if I saw a kid in trouble, I would have to think twice before I put myself at risk by intervening. Unlike that nurse, my first instinct would be to call 911 before I put myself out there.
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