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Again, calling a bird a car, does not make a bird a car. State run capitalisms like the Soviet Union, that completely abandoned nearly every tenant of communism, starting with them implementing the system top down, are not communists.
You find me anything that even remotely resembles Marxism, AS WRITTEN, and I will withdraw my argument.
I have to prove something here? LOL. Maybe you try to persuade thousands of Russian communist still marching on first of may that their red regime had nothing to do with communism. Lol.
These people live in a free country that protects commerce with laws, police and a judicial system that adjudicates disputes. There are public roads, canals and an air system that allows them to safely send and receive materials. There is a public education system that educated them and their employees. There is a public/private power and energy system that is highly reliable. There is a communication network. There is a regulation system that set standards that protect them and their workers, etc., etc.
Yet, these people feel they did it all by themselves (and didn't even state what they actually do) and probably sit around and complain about taxes, that supported all the systems that helped make them a success.
Bill Gates Sr. used to say this: Suppose you were given the choice of being born in America or in Ethiopia. What proportion of your eventual fortune would you be willing to give to be born in America? Given the great good fortune of getting to live and run a business in this country that has all the advantages an advanced country with a decent system provides, how can you think it’s all you? And then, how can you feel you don’t have any obligation to pay it back?
Wrong. "Revolution" means violent event as opposed to evolution. Have you ever seen non-violent revolution? LOL
Revolution does not mean "violent"
Dictionary.com definition
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.
2. Sociology . a radical and pervasive change in society and the social structure, especially one made suddenly and often accompanied by violence. Compare social evolution.
3. a sudden, complete or marked change in something: the present revolution in church architecture.
4. a procedure or course, as if in a circuit, back to a starting point.
5. a single turn of this kind.
The reason why violence "often" accompanies revolutions, is because its nearly impossible to separate the establishment from their power without killing them. Rarely will they just roll over without a fight, but its not without precedent. There have been many rulers in history who pretty much just left without a fight and left a power vacuum in their wake.
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Both in Russia and Cuba revolutions were of course bloody and undertaken predominantly by poor masses: laborers and farm workers.
The same masses who later became oppressed. You are right. There is a penalty for stupidity
You need to pick up a book and see who actually composed the Bolsheviks (and their leadership) and who actually composed Castros army. Ill get you started with a clue, it wasnt the average common laborer.
I have to prove something here? LOL. Maybe you try to persuade thousands of Russian communist still marching on first of may that their red regime had nothing to do with communism. Lol.
Obviously if you call a bird a car enough times, some people, like them, and you, will believe it.
Obviously if you call a bird a car enough times, some people, like them, and you, will believe it.
LOL. I am calling a bird exactly what it is: a bird. Soviet Union for over 60 years was ruled by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. What makes you think that you know better than millions of Russian communists, what is and what is not communism???
The reason why violence "often" accompanies revolutions, is because its nearly impossible to separate the establishment from their power without killing them. Rarely will they just roll over without a fight, but its not without precedent. There have been many rulers in history who pretty much just left without a fight and left a power vacuum in their wake.
You need to pick up a book and see who actually composed the Bolsheviks (and their leadership) and who actually composed Castros army. Ill get you started with a clue, it wasnt the average common laborer.
I don't have to pick up a book to find out. My family had to flee because of the Red Plague so I am very familiar with the history of that part of the world...
You are dead wrong: even though the leadership of Bolsheviks were often of noble origins (who else was literate at those times?) the actual "soldiers of the revolution" were mostly illiterate workers and peasants.
There was simply not enough noblemen in Russia to revolt against themselves
As far as revolutions are concerned.. well show me one that was not violent. From French Revolution, American Revolution to Bolshevik Revolution all of them were violent.
Honestly, I don't know any other kind so if it wasn't violent it probably was not a revolution.
Communism advocates COLLECTIVISM of private property, not NATIONALIZATION. They are two disctinctively different concepts.
I think you meant collectivization and you are partially right. However existing property has to be be first nationalized to be then transformed into collective property and that's what Bolsheviks did, they nationalized all the land and factories. People lost their land, factories and stores.
US also lost the factories-to cheap products manufactured in communist China. We also lost many big box stores-bankruptcy. Peaople lost their houses in this crisis.
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I think you meant collectivization and you are right. However existing property has to be be first nationalized to be then transformed into collective property and that's what Bolsheviks did, they nationalized all the land and factories. People lost their land, factories and stores.
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