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Old 06-12-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Wow, what are you a third grader or something? Look up exploit next time you see your parents dictionary. You might discover that exploit when used as a verb means, "Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource):".
Way to "walk your comments back"! Typical lib! Exploit as used in this context by liberals has always meant "to take advantage of" and usually that means "unfair advantage." Making workers do more for less, etc., etc.

I know that is what you meant from the context, and the fact that you parroted Elizabeth Warren almost verbatem.

Sorry chump. We are all onto the leftist thinking.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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Default American Dream Debunked

Prison Planet.com » Gerald Celente: American dream debunked

[SIZE=5]Vaporized: Americans’ Wealth Collapses 40% Over Last Three Years[/SIZE]

Mac Slavo
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June 12, 2012
…It might be well if you would ask yourself, are you better off than you were four years ago? Is it easier for you to go and buy things in the stores than it was four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment in the country than there was four years ago? Is America as respected throughout the world as it was? Do you feel that our security is as safe, that we’re as strong as we were four years ago?
President Ronald Reagan
President Reagan may just as well be speaking to us today.
The answer, as it was in November of 1980, is a resounding NO.
The Great Recession wiped out nearly two decades of Americans’ wealth, according to government data released Monday, with middle-class families bearing the brunt of the decline.
The Federal Reserve said the median net worth of families plunged by 39 percent in just three years, from $126,400 in 2007 to $77,300 in 2010. That puts Americans roughly on par with where they were in 1992.

The biggest drops occurred among middle-income Americans, whose wealth was inextricably linked to the housing market boom and bust.

It’s hard to overstate how serious the collapse in the economy was,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Analytics. “We were in freefall.”
In July of 2010 we offered evidence that America’s middle class was being systematically wiped out. Today we learn how truly horrific this wealth destruction really is.
And, it’s only going to get worse.
  • A d v e r t i s e m e n t
While government (un)employment statistics show that 8.3% are out of work, the number is closer to 22% – those are great depression numbers. If you lose your job today, there is a strong possibility you won’t be finding any meaningful labor any time soon. And for those just exiting college with hundred thousand dollar degrees in their hands, the prospect of ever finding a job and paying of those loans is almost nil.

Moreover, whatever money you do make (or save) will rapidly lose value as inflation, downplayed by the government of course, takes hold at a rate in excess of 10% per year, which means your money will be cut in half by 50% within seven years:

On top of that we have more Americans on food stamps today than ever before – twice as much as when President Obama took office and rapidly approaching 50 million (some 1 in 6 Americans!) – and half of American households receiving some form of government assistance or disbursement.
These are serious numbers and considering that we are nowhere near the end of this Recession, and are more than likely in the midst of another Great Depression, we can fully expect the wealth of our nation to further disappear.
Now is the time to save and prepare, because things are not going to get any better anytime soon.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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It costs about a billion dollars a mile to build a road.
Do you have a verifiable source for that figure?
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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The simple solution to fixing your graph is to roll back the Obama tax cuts. The average family is paying $1800 less under the tax cuts. Since the figures are "per capita" and there are only a few thousand families at the top, the bulk of the tax cuts fell on the middle class. Everyone knows this. You guys ***** about revenue and long for the rates of 1950 at the same time you post graphs indicating the rates from 1998 worked just fine. You paid more in 1998. Ready to chip in and pay your fair share again?
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Do you have a verifiable source for that figure?
How much does it cost to build a road one mile?

But the exact figure isn't really important. Even if it was only $1 million a mile, it would be too expensive for rural residents to afford without government (e.g. community) help.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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How much does it cost to build a road one mile?

But the exact figure isn't really important. Even if it was only $1 million a mile, it would be too expensive for rural residents to afford without government (e.g. community) help.
Most numbers you'll find quote by the lane mile (one 12' ribbon of concrete.) When you're taking four to six lanes with center divide berms and land cost you can easily approach a billion a mile. Take it into the mountains, land costs might be less but the cost of prepping the right of way can escalate quickly. I did work on the engineering for the Ohio turnpike third lane but I never saw numbers.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Most numbers you'll find quote by the lane mile (one 12' ribbon of concrete.) When you're taking four to six lanes with center divide berms and land cost you can easily approach a billion a mile. Take it into the mountains, land costs might be less but the cost of prepping the right of way can escalate quickly. I did work on the engineering for the Ohio turnpike third lane but I never saw numbers.
My point was to show that go-it-alone is a myth.

It's funny that those western red states, with their individualism attitude, really can't afford just their roads if they have to pay for them themselves. Montana has 147,042 sq miles and less than a million people. So, even at $1 million/mile that means that roads alone cost $150,000 per resident to build. Then there is maintenance.

Alaska is worse, at 663,267 sq miles and 722,190 residents.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:29 AM
 
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My point was to show that go-it-alone is a myth.

It's funny that those western red states, with their individualism attitude, really can't afford just their roads if they have to pay for them themselves. Montana has 147,042 sq miles and less than a million people. So, even at $1 million/mile that means that roads alone cost $150,000 per resident to build. Then there is maintenance.

Alaska is worse, at 663,267 sq miles and 722,190 residents.
Not really. State and even more interstate highways are not only used by the residents of the state they are built, they are used and benefit every citizen.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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My point was to show that go-it-alone is a myth.

It's funny that those western red states, with their individualism attitude, really can't afford just their roads if they have to pay for them themselves. Montana has 147,042 sq miles and less than a million people. So, even at $1 million/mile that means that roads alone cost $150,000 per resident to build. Then there is maintenance.

Alaska is worse, at 663,267 sq miles and 722,190 residents.
Yep, and when you factor in that most roads are built for commercial interests the true costs of the road are NOT being paid for by the ppl that benefit most by those roads. Read the examples back in that link of yours, the three mile long highway was a truck bypass.
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For instance, a three-mile extension of Highway 509 — to create a trucking corridor from Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to Interstate5,plus more lanes on I-5 nearby — is now expected to cost $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion
You think those trucks funded that road or did the general public foot much of that bill? Fact is the middle class, thru that gas tax, has been funding road construction and maintenance that largely benefits the uber wealthy's money making exploits.
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Old 06-13-2012, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Here is someone who has it right. This couple risked it all to begin their own business. They employ others and hope in doing so, their lives also become richer.

This is the real America.

Articles: Who Will Stand for Hard Work?
No, small business owners are no more "real America" than any other citizen. I am so tired of this arrogant classist attitude. And I guarantee the country can do without your little shop or your home repairs contracting business that might create a couple poor paying jobs. Get over yourselves! Plus, if you fail, bankruptcy is a type of entitlement, hardly noble.
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