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Old 06-26-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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I've come to accept this political year as a theatre of the absurd. But I've got my popcorn, I'm gonna kick back and enjoy it, and pray it ends as a good comedy.
there is no comedy in american citizens getting killed, or in people refusing to take responsibility for their actions.

if we don't stop allowing idiots to run our country, we aren't going to make it as a country.



on a side note, i was looking into the eric holder /oklahoma bombing story and that certainly is an interesting story. even if only some of this is true, he should never have been appointed attorney general.
http://www.coachisright.com/why-eric...ntadue-murder/

with other links in the story, both liberal and conservative.

whatever happened, there sure are a lot of "suicides" in this story.
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Old 06-27-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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This silly political theater is going nowhere. But enjoy it while you can. And by all means, use it to get that vein on your forehead pulsing.
The politics for this executive privilege is on Holder's side.

Holder said he would turn over the documents if the contempt charge was dropped, so the documents were fine at that point. When the charge was not dropped, executive privilege was claimed.

Holder said there was no problem turning over the documents, an hour later he demands executive privilege - that was a political move.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:07 AM
 
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Default The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

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A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.
Ummmmm. Okay.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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i am now counting down the days until they are both gone, because what else can you do as a citizen?

they flout the laws, with disrespect for the public and the public's rights.
Agreed & congress sits on its butt & becoming irrelevant.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Interesting article in Fortune:

Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.


The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Interesting article in Fortune:

Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.


The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features
Well according to Fortune magazine, we should take the word of Voth (the man that was the local supervisor in charge of F&F for the team in Arizona) and just be done with the whole investigation. Hmm...this was an awfully slanted article. Voth has taken a lot of the blame and heat. In this article, he blamed everyone but himself. He blamed the ATF leadership, his team, the US District Attorney, and his immediate supervisor. Hey, maybe, just maybe, that is all true. However, when the DOJ is 'retracting' testimony, not releasing documents, and not cooperating with the investigation to actually find out what happened, that's a problem. Or should Congress take Fortune's investigation as 'truth' and just stop. What this article has highlighted is that this was a screw up of epic proportion. This deserves to be investigated and the truth should come out; we the citizens deserve that.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:07 PM
 
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At least two House Democrats including Jim Matheson have said they will vote with the Republicans on the contempt citation.

So, the vote to put Eric WithHolder in contempt tomorrow will be bipartisan.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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At least two House Democrats including Jim Matheson have said they will vote with the Republicans on the contempt citation.

So, the vote to put Eric WithHolder in contempt tomorrow will be bipartisan.
Four Dems have officially announced they will vote yes and expected total is about 20 that will vote yes on contempt.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:19 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Contempt vote and supreme court decision to be announced this Thursday. Should be an interesting day for Obama supporters.
Are there still any Obama supporters?
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