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Old 06-27-2012, 04:46 AM
 
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A commonly held (and quickly diminishing) opinion, this belief has had wide and far-reaching implications on the lives of millions upon millions of LGBT people across the world.

I don't think anyone can understand what it is like to be discriminated against unless they have been discriminated against themselves. Most of the people that practice discrimination have not experienced the discrimination they dish out.

I know what it is like to be discriminated against for being a woman, black, and gay. Although I have no idea what's it's like for older people, people with physical or mental disabilities, or immigrants. However, because of my baseline experiences as triple minority, I can understand what it is like to be discriminated against in general.

We are treated as lesser beings than those that are supposedly the "right" people, those that have the right skin color, national origin, physical attributes, mental faculties, sexual orientation, religion, etc. in the USA, the "right" people are white, straight, and Christian. All the rest of us are "less" than they are.

Those that are "right", don't have a clear understanding, to say the least, of what it is like to be considered "less" than they are. They have experienced most everything good that our society has to offer just because they were born with all the "right" stuff and have all the "right" beliefs. The laws and norms are all in their favor.

It is amazing to me that those that think less of others so often are the perpetrators of the discriminatory behavior, the violence, hatred, bigotry--all of which is regularly posted on this forum--that will maintain their power over all those that are not "right".

How often do the ones that are discriminated against create the violence as opposed to those that feel they are the "right" ones? The "right" ones are most often the ones that start the vitriolic speech and do the violent acts against those that are not "right".

I am sick and tired of a government that panders to a mouth breathing, backwards, and hypocritical "religious right", while bullied gay teens commit suicide. These kids are killing themselves because everyone is tacitly endorsing these homophobes by not taking a stand against them.

I know things are changing quickly, and equality will come soon, but I just find it so tragic that people can't see the bigger picture. That it is wrong to hate other human beings, and it is wrong to denote second class status to those who are "different".

Now, in spite of all the ridiculousness with the right trying to curtail LGBT rights and rampant homophobia, I take solace in knowing that in 20 years, the new generation will look at the anti-gay crowd the same way this generation looks at the anti-segregation crowd of the '60s--as a bunch of narrow-minded, fanatical, ignorant bigots.

Can't wait!

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:02 AM
 
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Get over it we all have our crosses to bear.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:08 AM
 
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Get over it we all have our crosses to bear.
I'd like to see how firmly you'd hold yourself to this belief if it were your rights being denied.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:13 AM
 
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A commonly held (and quickly diminishing) opinion, this belief has had wide and far-reaching implications on the lives of millions upon millions of LGBT people across the world.

I don't think anyone can understand what it is like to be discriminated against unless they have been discriminated against themselves. Most of the people that practice discrimination have not experienced the discrimination they dish out.

I know what it is like to be discriminated against for being a woman, black, and gay. Although I have no idea what's it's like for older people, people with physical or mental disabilities, or immigrants. However, because of my baseline experiences as triple minority, I can understand what it is like to be discriminated against in general.

We are treated as lesser beings than those that are supposedly the "right" people, those that have the right skin color, national origin, physical attributes, mental faculties, sexual orientation, religion, etc. All the rest of us are "less" than they are.

Those that are "right", don't have a clear understanding, to say the least, of what it is like to be considered "less" than they are. They have experienced most everything good that our society has to offer just because they were born with all the "right" stuff and have all the "right" beliefs. The laws and norms are all in their favor.

It is amazing to me that those that think less of others so often are the perpetrators of the discriminatory behavior, the violence, hatred, bigotry--all of which is regularly posted on this forum--that will maintain their power over all those that are not "right".

How often do the ones that are discriminated against create the violence as opposed to those that feel they are the "right" ones? The "right" ones are most often the ones that start the vitriolic speech and do the violent acts against those that are not "right".

I am sick and tired of a government that panders to a mouth breathing, backwards, and hypocritical "religious right", while hundreds of gay teens commit suicide. These kids are killing themselves because everyone is tacitly endorsing these homophobes by not taking a stand against them.

I know things are changing quickly, and equality will come soon, but I just find it so tragic that people can't see the bigger picture. That it is wrong to hate other human beings, and it is wrong to denote second class status to those who are "different".

Now, in spite of all the ridiculousness with the right trying to curtail LGBT rights and rampant homophobia, I take solace in knowing that in 20 years, the new generation will look at the anti-gay crowd the same way this generation looks at the anti-segregation crowd of the '60s--as a bunch of narrow-minded, fanatical, ignorant bigots.

Can't wait!
This is nothing but a rant, filled with accusations, lies, and half truths, and no facts.

As a woman, you are not a "minority." Neither is being a lesbian make you a "minority" because that is a behavior.

Discrimination because of the color of ones skin in the United States has become much less in my lifetime, not increased, and blacks have as much opportunity as any white, and are still receiving preferential treatment in college admissions, hiring, etc., displacing more qualified people. This is how the "left" defines "fair."

Your attitude is most likely what is holding you back.

And nobody I know thinks "gays are bad, evil, horrible people." However, I do believe it is wrong, and an immoral practice. Sorry. I call it like I see it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:19 AM
 
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I'd like to see how firmly you'd hold yourself to this belief if it were your rights being denied.
You have exactly the same rights as every other American.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:20 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I'd like to see how firmly you'd hold yourself to this belief if it were your rights being denied.
Who is deneying anyone their rights, as defined in the Declaration of Independence? "Life, liberty, and the persuit of happines," and I would add to that "property" which though not specifically stated in that document, it is implicit, and our laws protect our right to property.

What is your definition of a "right"?
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:21 AM
 
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You have exactly the same rights as every other American.

Really? Try to get married in the State of Florida if you're gay.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:22 AM
 
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No they're not.

Some of the nicest people I know are gay.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:23 AM
 
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A commonly held (and quickly diminishing) opinion, this belief has had wide and far-reaching implications on the lives of millions upon millions of LGBT people across the world.

I don't think anyone can understand what it is like to be discriminated against unless they have been discriminated against themselves. Most of the people that practice discrimination have not experienced the discrimination they dish out.

I know what it is like to be discriminated against for being a woman, black, and gay. Although I have no idea what's it's like for older people, people with physical or mental disabilities, or immigrants. However, because of my baseline experiences as triple minority, I can understand what it is like to be discriminated against in general.

We are treated as lesser beings than those that are supposedly the "right" people, those that have the right skin color, national origin, physical attributes, mental faculties, sexual orientation, religion, etc. in the USA, the "right" people are white, straight, and Christian. All the rest of us are "less" than they are.

Those that are "right", don't have a clear understanding, to say the least, of what it is like to be considered "less" than they are. They have experienced most everything good that our society has to offer just because they were born with all the "right" stuff and have all the "right" beliefs. The laws and norms are all in their favor.

It is amazing to me that those that think less of others so often are the perpetrators of the discriminatory behavior, the violence, hatred, bigotry--all of which is regularly posted on this forum--that will maintain their power over all those that are not "right".

How often do the ones that are discriminated against create the violence as opposed to those that feel they are the "right" ones? The "right" ones are most often the ones that start the vitriolic speech and do the violent acts against those that are not "right".

I am sick and tired of a government that panders to a mouth breathing, backwards, and hypocritical "religious right", while bullied gay teens commit suicide. These kids are killing themselves because everyone is tacitly endorsing these homophobes by not taking a stand against them.

I know things are changing quickly, and equality will come soon, but I just find it so tragic that people can't see the bigger picture. That it is wrong to hate other human beings, and it is wrong to denote second class status to those who are "different".

Now, in spite of all the ridiculousness with the right trying to curtail LGBT rights and rampant homophobia, I take solace in knowing that in 20 years, the new generation will look at the anti-gay crowd the same way this generation looks at the anti-segregation crowd of the '60s--as a bunch of narrow-minded, fanatical, ignorant bigots.

Can't wait!

im not gay but i do know that being on the receiving end of bigotry is indeed a horrible ordeal , no matter what you do , how hard you work , how decent you are , you are treated with unconditional contempt and hatred , happened to me only once in my life but it left quite a scar
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:24 AM
 
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You have exactly the same rights as every other American.
I'm not gay. Gay people do not have equal rights under the law as other Americans do.
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