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Old 08-30-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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I don't want to be naive.. I like to know what is going on because it does affect us.. so many think it does not affect them .

The food is going up , gas, and probably property taxes will become exorbitant as time goes on. The government will sap the life out of the economy as Obama spends and wastes money. The hard times will be ahead -that is a given but of course the dems think we will not have to pay the piper. Obama's smile makes it all right for them... what a farce...

Money is printed and borrowed and this country was downgraded for the first time in history. We are in sorry shape but Obama has no budget because he really does not care if the country goes belly up.. that is his agenda.. level the playing field and make America crawl and become weak.. while the third world countries get stronger.
Yup that is the way he thinks. Awful and scary.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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If you actually think Obama is trying to hurt or destroy the country, you're an idiot. Sane people who differ politically can understand that conservatives and liberals differ on how they would like to make the country a better place. If you think the other side is actively trying to hurt the country, you're an idiot.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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If you actually think Obama is trying to hurt or destroy the country, you're an idiot. Sane people who differ politically can understand that conservatives and liberals differ on how they would like to make the country a better place. If you think the other side is actively trying to hurt the country, you're an idiot.
i think if you deliberately bring in more workers than your country can handle, and suppress wages while doing so, i think you are actively trying to hurt the country.

i think if you increase regulation when businesses are already struggling and folding, i think you are trying to hurt the country.

i think if you send young people to die in foreign countries for unwinnable wars and massive spending/transfer of american wealth, i think you are trying to hurt both the citizens and the country.

i think if you send assault weapons to mexican drug cartels, get american citizens killed, and then cover it up, i think you are trying to hurt the citizens of the country.

i think if you randomly print more money and degrade the currency that citizens need, i think you are trying to hurt the citizens.

i think if you can't account for 4 trillion in new debt and deliberately lie about shovel ready jobs, you are deliberately trying to hurt the economy of the country.

i think if you campaign on raising taxes and then actually extend the bush tax cuts, but pretend you want to raise taxes before the next election again, you are just a liar like most other politicians.

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Old 08-30-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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i think if you deliberately bring in more workers than your country can handle, and suppress wages while doing so, i think you are actively trying to hurt the country.

i think if you increase regulation when businesses are already struggling and folding, i think you are trying to hurt the country.

i think if you send young people to die in foreign countries for unwinnable wars and massive spending/transfer of american wealth, i think you are trying to hurt both the citizens and the country.

i think if you send assault weapons to mexican drug cartels, get american citizens killed, and then cover it up, i think you are trying to hurt the citizens of the country.

i think if you randomly print more money and degrade the currency that citizens need, i think you are trying to hurt the citizens.

i think if you can't account for 4 trillion in new debt and deliberately lie about shovel ready jobs, you are deliberately trying to hurt the country.
See post #343.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:39 PM
 
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See post #343.
so instead of trying to defend indefensible actions, you choose to call the other person an idiot.

interesting.

because none of the things i put on the obama list made this country "a better place", nor were they intended to. if you want to know what i think is idiotic, it is people pretending that this "debt load" --and this massive increase in spending-- is in any way, shape, or form sustainable.

just our interest payments on our debt can finance china's military.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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so instead of trying to defend indefensible actions, you choose to call the other person an idiot.

interesting.
No, I only try to debate those who have a firm grasp on reality. I enjoy a good talk with conservatives and liberals who think their ideas are better for the country. I'm not interested in talking to people who see conspiracies and dumb theories when simply talking about public policy.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:44 PM
 
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If you actually think Obama is trying to hurt or destroy the country, you're an idiot. Sane people who differ politically can understand that conservatives and liberals differ on how they would like to make the country a better place. If you think the other side is actively trying to hurt the country, you're an idiot.
There are some really dumb people out there. I didn't like Baby Bush, Papa Bush, Ronald Reagan, yet I never thought they wanted to destroy the country.

Carlin said it best, half of the people you come across are fcking stupid, and you can usually tell in a few minutes.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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There are some really dumb people out there. I didn't like Baby Bush, Papa Bush, Ronald Reagan, yet I never thought they wanted to destroy the country.

Carlin said it best, half of the people you come across are fcking stupid, and you can usually tell in a few minutes.
again, name calling when you cannot defend the indefensible seems to be a common trait among those on the liberal side anymore.

or maybe some just like seeing their fellow citizens struggling after all, as they really do believe that the nanny/autocrat state is going to be the best thing in the world for people.

the way i see it is if you do things that hurt the citizens you are trying to hurt the country-and this wasn't an accident. do you really think that obama changed his mind about the bush tax cuts? or that he didn't know there weren't shovel ready jobs? or that solyndra (et al) would fail? or that arming the syrian rebels might be bad foreign policy? or that shipping assault weapons to mexican drug cartels might end badly?

increased spending without increased revenue is stupid.

end of story.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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There are some really dumb people out there. I didn't like Baby Bush, Papa Bush, Ronald Reagan, yet I never thought they wanted to destroy the country.

Carlin said it best, half of the people you come across are fcking stupid, and you can usually tell in a few minutes.
Exactly. I don't really care for many Republican policies, there are a few ideas and platitudes they speak of that I agree with. But overall, I don't agree with much of what they have to offer. I don't think their policies would be good for the country, but I don't think they are actively trying to hurt or destroy the country. I think they really do think those policies would work and we just disagree.
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:55 PM
 
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again, name calling when you cannot defend the indefensible seems to be a common trait among those on the liberal side anymore.

or maybe some just like seeing their fellow citizens struggling after all, as they really do believe that the nanny/autocrat state is going to be the best thing in the world for people.

the way i see it is if you hurt the citizens, you are trying to hurt the country-and this wasn't an accident. do you really think that obama changed his mind about the bush tax cuts?

increased spending without increased revenue is stupid.

end of story.
<--cracks knuckles.

Obama is a fake and a phony. He promised hope and change and gave us bailouts for the super rich. He's a puppet of Wall Street. I'm not voting for him. Anyone that votes for him and expects change is a sucker and an idiot.

In spite of all this, I don't believe he is a Muslim, a Socialist, Kenyan, or terrorist. Anyone that believes he hates America is a fcking douchebag tool that is twice as stupid as the Obama supporters expecting hope and change

now go clean yourself up, unless you want some more
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