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Old 08-30-2012, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Faux News outed his real identity. And he was current enough to have been in service just over a year ago. He also submitted and scheduled for release the manuscript w/out going through proper channels and procedures re: DoD regulations.
He was outed by having his name plastered all over the front of his book..! Don't try blaming FOX, the only real news station.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Black Ops personnel keep their names secret lest the families of their victims figure out where they live. Where they worked an "Eye for an Eye..." is the LAW. Revenge is not an option if honor is to be maintained.
You read to many books, and like most democrats, live in a fantasy world. I'm sure the seal who wrote this book knows a little more about the subject than you do....
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:22 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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He was outed by having his name plastered all over the front of his book..! Don't try blaming FOX, the only real news station.
Sigh...

The front of the book says "Mark Owen." He is not that dumb; he published it under a pseudonym.

FOX did some digging, found his real identity, and happily published it. It was only a matter of time anyway.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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... Do you think the SEAL community is happy with this guy?
Yes, actually I imagine they are, and would still be happy to share beers with him.

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Old 08-30-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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Not after they retire..!
That is not true.

I am a 'retired' US servicemember myself. I am still contractually connected to the DOD.

Pension checks are retainers.

Retirees are a portion of the Reserve Forces and are still subject be called up to serve.
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Old 08-30-2012, 10:30 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Yes, actually I imagine they are, and would still be happy to share beers with him.

I imagine you're a bit crazy there, if for no other reason than the fact that all of his teammates will now forego fame and wealth because they chose to honor their obligations, unlike Matt. A multitude of news reports are saying that his former teammates are furious with him (not to mention the broader SEAL community) - look them up. But of course, we can't go directly to them and verify that since they are still trying to stay anonymous and not become terrorist targets...

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The tell-all book also has apparently upset a large population of former and current SEAL members who worry about releasing information that could compromise future missions. One Navy SEAL told Fox News, "How do we tell our guys to stay quiet when this guy won't?" Other SEALs are expressing anger, with some going so far as to call him a "traitor."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2532PSgwy
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Old 08-30-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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He was outed by having his name plastered all over the front of his book..! Don't try blaming FOX, the only real news station.
His name on the book is MIKE COOK. Fox and him very likely just wrote a death sentence for someone connected to the SEALS. These terrorists don't forget and may/will plot revenge. imo
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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I imagine you're a bit crazy there, if for no other reason than the fact that all of his teammates will now forego fame and wealth because they chose to honor their obligations, unlike Matt
Remind me again of what obligation you speak of. No law was broken.

Consider 'Richard Marcinko'. He not only wrote tell it all books, he did violate the law.



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... A multitude of news reports are saying that his former teammates are furious with him (not to mention the broader SEAL community) - look them up. But of course, we can't go directly to them and verify that since they are still trying to stay anonymous and not become terrorist targets...
Believe news reporters? Yes, they are so trust worthy.

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Old 08-31-2012, 12:35 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Remind me again of what obligation you speak of. No law was broken.
We'll see about that. Hopefully no law was broken, but then again, Bissonnette did not provide his book for review by the DoD prior to publishing, like he was supposed to.

Here, let me have Admiral McRaven explain it to you. He knows a bit more about this than you do (or me).

U.S. Special Operations Commander Cautions Against Exploiting 'Celebrity' Status - NYTimes.com

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Select portions of McRaven's unclassified memo to all US special forces:

While as retired or former service members, they are well within their rights to advocate for certain causes or write books about their adventures, it is disappointing when these actions either try to represent the broader S.O.F. community, or expose sensitive information that could threaten the lives of their fellow warriors.

Every member of the Special Operations community with a security clearance signed a nondisclosure agreement that was binding during and after service in the military. If the U.S. Special Operations Command finds that an active duty, retired or former service member violated that agreement and that exposure of information was detrimental to the safety of U.S. forces, then we will pursue every option available to hold members accountable, including criminal prosecution where appropriate.

As current or former members of our special operations community, authors have a moral obligation, and a legal duty, to submit their works for prepublication security review. We are fully prepared to work with any author who is looking to tell his story and wants a straightforward assessment of the potential security impacts of their work.
Hopefully that clears it up...


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Believe news reporters? Yes, they are so trust worthy.

Even common sense would tell you that the ex SEAL who keeps his mouth shut in order to maintan secrecy for himself and his colleagues will be pissed when he watches one of his teammates gab and get millions of dollars for it. Bissonnette has now opened himself up for terrorists all over the world to take a shot at him; perhaps he will also have proven to have opened the door for his family and his former colleagues to also be endangered.
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:21 AM
 
Location: FL
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They should realize that when they cash in like this, they put not only themselves at deadly risk, but also their families and potentially their colleagues. And they also hurt the cohesion of the SEAL units for future sensitive missions. His service was honorable, and we owe him gratitude for that, but not for this - this is a dishonorable thing to do.
Exactly! He put himself out there and now he has to face the consequences. Sad that his family has to also.
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