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Old 08-28-2012, 01:38 PM
 
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So many here seem to want to end welfare and since we know it will never be allowed by the voters without some sort solution for doing so would you be willing to do the following:



1. Create a vocational education system (2 years or less) that helps those that want to learn a trade or profession, with the following stipulations
  • The course must be completed to graduation.
  • That the person is assisted to find a job in their new trade but must work in that profession for a minimum of two years or they have to pay the government back for the education they received.
2. A system where vouchers are made to help cover daycare costs for children until the person is placed in a working position.

3. Those that cannot work such as the elderly or disabled are placed on a system that helps ensure they get their basic needs met.

4. Free healthcare for those attending vocational and ends once they are back to work.

5. Ban for life anyone caught committing fraud or refusing to attend schooling or unwilling to accept work after graduation.

6. Once everyone that is on the educational program, is put on another program or kicked off then end welfare as we know it.

Yes I know that some of these programs will cost money, but the way I look at it it is investing money in America's future and in the future of Millions of Americans and we would all benefit. I would also add that I believe the numbers of people and the costs would drop dramatically once more people go through the program and go to work, not to mention the fact that many that may have thought they were going to live off the government realize they will have to work will avoid the wrong path from the beginning.

Anyway it is just a thought, would you agree to such a method of reform or do you have a better idea other than simply killing it off and not replacing it with something else.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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So many here seem to want to end welfare and since we know it will never be allowed by the voters without some sort solution for doing so would you be willing to do the following:



1. Create a vocational education system (2 years or less) that helps those that want to learn a trade or profession, with the following stipulations
  • The course must be completed to graduation.
  • That the person is assisted to find a job in their new trade but must work in that profession for a minimum of two years or they have to pay the government back for the education they received.
2. A system where vouchers are made to help cover daycare costs for children until the person is placed in a working position.

3. Those that cannot work such as the elderly or disabled are placed on a system that helps ensure they get their basic needs met.

4. Free healthcare for those attending vocational and ends once they are back to work.

5. Ban for life anyone caught committing fraud or refusing to attend schooling or unwilling to accept work after graduation.

6. Once everyone that is on the educational program, is put on another program or kicked off then end welfare as we know it.

Yes I know that some of these programs will cost money, but the way I look at it it is investing money in America's future and in the future of Millions of Americans and we would all benefit. I would also add that I believe the numbers of people and the costs would drop dramatically once more people go through the program and go to work, not to mention the fact that many that may have thought they were going to live off the government realize they will have to work will avoid the wrong path from the beginning.

Anyway it is just a thought, would you agree to such a method of reform or do you have a better idea other than simply killing it off and not replacing it with something else.
I like the idea. It's better than anything I've heard coming out of DC lately.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:40 PM
 
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So many here seem to want to end welfare and since we know it will never be allowed by the voters without some sort solution for doing so would you be willing to do the following:



1. Create a vocational education system (2 years or less) that helps those that want to learn a trade or profession, with the following stipulations
  • The course must be completed to graduation.
  • That the person is assisted to find a job in their new trade but must work in that profession for a minimum of two years or they have to pay the government back for the education they received.
2. A system where vouchers are made to help cover daycare costs for children until the person is placed in a working position.

3. Those that cannot work such as the elderly or disabled are placed on a system that helps ensure they get their basic needs met.

4. Free healthcare for those attending vocational and ends once they are back to work.

5. Ban for life anyone caught committing fraud or refusing to attend schooling or unwilling to accept work after graduation.

6. Once everyone that is on the educational program, is put on another program or kicked off then end welfare as we know it.

Yes I know that some of these programs will cost money, but the way I look at it is investing money in America's future and in the future of Millions of Americans and we would all benefit. I would also add that I believe the numbers of people and the costs would drop dramatically once more people go through the program and go to work, not to mention the fact that many that may have thought they were going to live off the government realize they will have to work will avoid the wrong path from the beginning.

Anyway it is just a thought, would you agree to such a method of reform or do you have a better idea other than simply killing it off and not replacing it with something else.
Basically yes I would and have offered it as a suggestion in the past.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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Basically yes I would and have offered it as a suggestion in the past.
I missed it, I think such a method would work and in the long run change the way Americans look at their own future, save the Nation Billions and improve the future prospects for the Nation.
Who knows maybe through discussion the posters here can come up with a workable plan where the government seems unable or unwilling to do so, the plan can be submitted to both Parties and we will see if either has the smarts to push it into reality. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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I think IF there is a key to ending welfare it probably has something to do with education.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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I missed it, I think such a method would work and in the long run change the way Americans look at their own future, save the Nation Billions and improve the future prospects for the Nation.
Who knows maybe through discussion the posters here can come up with a workable plan where the government seems unable or unwilling to do so, the plan can be submitted to both Parties and we will see if either has the smarts to push it into reality. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
What's the alternative? Continue to pay welfare benefits that are bankrupting our system?
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:54 PM
 
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I missed it, I think such a method would work and in the long run change the way Americans look at their own future, save the Nation Billions and improve the future prospects for the Nation.
Who knows maybe through discussion the posters here can come up with a workable plan where the government seems unable or unwilling to do so, the plan can be submitted to both Parties and we will see if either has the smarts to push it into reality. Who knows, stranger things have happened.
It's a good idea and should be presented. Stranger things sure did happen!
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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I'm not a good enough writter to write up the draft, but I would certainly sign it if it were basically composed as suggested.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Casper in Dallas View Post
So many here seem to want to end welfare and since we know it will never be allowed by the voters without some sort solution for doing so would you be willing to do the following:



1. Create a vocational education system (2 years or less) that helps those that want to learn a trade or profession, with the following stipulations
  • The course must be completed to graduation.
  • That the person is assisted to find a job in their new trade but must work in that profession for a minimum of two years or they have to pay the government back for the education they received.
2. A system where vouchers are made to help cover daycare costs for children until the person is placed in a working position.

3. Those that cannot work such as the elderly or disabled are placed on a system that helps ensure they get their basic needs met.

4. Free healthcare for those attending vocational and ends once they are back to work.

5. Ban for life anyone caught committing fraud or refusing to attend schooling or unwilling to accept work after graduation.

6. Once everyone that is on the educational program, is put on another program or kicked off then end welfare as we know it.

Yes I know that some of these programs will cost money, but the way I look at it it is investing money in America's future and in the future of Millions of Americans and we would all benefit. I would also add that I believe the numbers of people and the costs would drop dramatically once more people go through the program and go to work, not to mention the fact that many that may have thought they were going to live off the government realize they will have to work will avoid the wrong path from the beginning.

Anyway it is just a thought, would you agree to such a method of reform or do you have a better idea other than simply killing it off and not replacing it with something else.

Yep- sounds good to me.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:57 PM
 
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Funny Casper.. All the "hard core right" is the first to agree... LOL
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