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To those who have issues with unions can you explain what a better alternative would be for giving workers decent wages and protecting them from abuse?
We have laws that set a minimum wage and that protect workers from abuse.
That being said, I don't think anyone is seriously proposing abolishing private sector unions.
Even if they were - workers would be free to negotiate with their employers themselves (and this is a freedom that many workers don't have with unions). And, most importantly, the free market takes care of setting wages and benefits quite efficiently.
To those who have issues with unions can you explain what a better alternative would be for giving workers decent wages and protecting them from abuse?
Get an education and negotiate your own salary for one. Get rid of all the crooks running the unions. The friggen mafia has been running unions for years on end.
We have laws that set a minimum wage and that protect workers from abuse.
That being said, I don't think anyone is seriously proposing abolishing private sector unions.
Even if they were - workers would be free to negotiate with their employers themselves (and this is a freedom that many workers don't have with unions). And, most importantly, the free market takes care of setting wages and benefits quite efficiently.
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Originally Posted by KUchief25
Get an education and negotiate your own salary for one. Get rid of all the crooks running the unions. The friggen mafia has been running unions for years on end.
You guys with this fantasyland "negotiate"nonsense as if that's an option for the overwhelming majority of Americans. That option is available to a precious few workers relative to the size of our workforce and you know it. And by that I mean people in executive positions for the most part.
Neither of you have negotiated a thing, and neither has 99% of everyone else on C-D so I'll just put that out there before the lies and tales of all of your great negotiated benefits come streaming in. I really don't care to read about it.
We need unions because there is NO OTHER BULWARK against uncontrolled corporate power without them.
Really? I've never been an executive. I have jobs skills that allow me to request a pay raise if I deem I'm not getting a marketable salary or move to where I feel I'm better compensated. That corporate power is where I mostly have worked over the past twelve or so years. I guess that makes me a corporate shill? Hey as long as it pays the bills. Better than kissing some union goon mobsters butt to get a piddly raise along with the guy next to me who hasn't lifted a finger to help out in the last year but he's got seniority.
To those who have issues with unions can you explain what a better alternative would be for giving workers decent wages and protecting them from abuse?
Yep.
Education!
Skilled workers have leverage on their employers.
Unskilled workers do not.
The days when anyone could go to work on an assembly line and ascend to the middle class are done whether unions in America survive or not.
You guys with this fantasyland "negotiate"nonsense as if that's an option for the overwhelming majority of Americans. That option is available to a precious few workers relative to the size of our workforce and you know it. And by that I mean people in executive positions for the most part.
Neither of you have negotiated a thing, and neither has 99% of everyone else on C-D so I'll just put that out there before the lies and tales of all of your great negotiated benefits come streaming in. I really don't care to read about it.
We need unions because there is NO OTHER BULWARK against uncontrolled corporate power without them.
You're missing more than you're catching.
The overwhelming majority of Americans don't have the skills they need to put themselves in an advantageous position.
They are easily replaced and that is their own fault.
Really? I've never been an executive. I have jobs skills that allow me to request a pay raise if I deem I'm not getting a marketable salary or move to where I feel I'm better compensated. That corporate power is where I mostly have worked over the past twelve or so years. I guess that makes me a corporate shill? Hey as long as it pays the bills. Better than kissing some union goon mobsters butt to get a piddly raise along with the guy next to me who hasn't lifted a finger to help out in the last year but he's got seniority.
Yea...you and everyone else on C-D...but I guess you couldn't help yourself, could you?
That's what I love about C-D. Members live in an alternate universe where everyone is rich, educated, and can walk into the boss' office and demand a raise. And they always get it too, because they're all so marketable.
Meanwhile, out in the real universe, everyone else takes the only salary offered when the job is posted and when they want a may raise, they wait for the normal annual increase (if you're lucky) or you have to apply for another job that pays better. Or, maybe you have to go back to school.
But this "negotiating" nonsense is not the norm for the overwhelming majority of non-executive positions, so you can miss me with that bullsh*t.
The overwhelming majority of Americans don't have the skills they need to put themselves in an advantageous position.
They are easily replaced and that is their own fault.
The overwhelming majority of Americans of working age HAVE JOBS! Are they all a bunch of idiots?
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