Why do Republican's despair positive Economic Trends? (polls, border, companies)
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I'm not a hardline Republican. But when one talks of trends they should include all trends, not just one month's number.
Today, the "trends" are all over the place and not all pointing in the same direction.
You have more jobs but they are lower paying. Are you happy with that "trend" ?
Gee, where have I heard that question before? Oh yeah, back when we were discussing all those jobs created in Texas. You know the ones with no health insurance that pay poverty-level wages. I seem to recall LOTS of people arguing that people should be happy to have any job. Now, all of sudden, these jobs aren't good enough.
Could it possibly be because one was supposed to be an indicator of successful GOP policies and the latest report might place credit elsewhere?
Personally, despite the fact that the GOP is pulling their hair out over this report, they really should be taking the credit.
It is pretty clear that their policies are working.
Low wage jobs for everyone! Yay.
They seemed happy when Rick Perry was creating similar jobs in Texas; some would even say things like "at least it's better than nothing" or something a long those lines.
Yet --- there have been no cuts made in the government handout programs. In fact food stamps are considerably up in 2012 compared with 2011.
I'll believe the economy has improved when government spending has been cut and some of the welfare programs have been eliminated.
However when you have MORE people living on government handouts, the economy is not doing better.
You really ought to investigate who really benefits from this. Here's a hint: Big Ag, Congress via donations from Big Ag and the Lobbyists who work for Big Ag.
This country has experienced drought conditions for several years. Companies could be losing money, but they aren't.
Why?
Simple, we're propping them up by 'gasp' feeding people, most of them children. The right gets a talking point and people line their pockets while too many argue that employers should be allowed to pay lousy wages that force people onto food stamps.
Win-win.
Gee, where have I heard that question before? Oh yeah, back when we were discussing all those jobs created in Texas. You know the ones with no health insurance that pay poverty-level wages. I seem to recall LOTS of people arguing that people should be happy to have any job. Now, all of sudden, these jobs aren't good enough.
Could it possibly be because one was supposed to be an indicator of successful GOP policies and the latest report might place credit elsewhere?
Personally, despite the fact that the GOP is pulling their hair out over this report, they really should be taking the credit.
It is pretty clear that their policies are working.
Low wage jobs for everyone! Yay.
Yes, it's 100% the GOP's fault that all the jobs created today are min wage with no benefits.
And while the administration is majority Democrat they are powerless to do a thing.
That just goes to show that the Dems really can't accomplish much when a minority of Republicans can rule with a mighty hand.
Now, if you take off your partisan glasses for a moment.
Our standard of living has been slowly declining. People didn't notice it because it didn't effect them and the numbers of people displaced (going from good earnings to min wage) were small.
But that accelerated around 2005 when white collar jobs started to get offshored and really took off when our economy went bust.
A service economy, a consumer economy doesn't CREATE anything. That did not happen overnight.
Where is the growth when all you do is buy stuff and fix stuff ?
Yes, it's 100% the GOP's fault that all the jobs created today are min wage with no benefits.
And while the administration is majority Democrat they are powerless to do a thing.
That just goes to show that the Dems really can't accomplish much when a minority of Republicans can rule with a mighty hand.
Now, if you take off your partisan glasses for a moment.
Our standard of living has been slowly declining. People didn't notice it because it didn't effect them and the numbers of people displaced (going from good earnings to min wage) were small.
But that accelerated around 2005 when white collar jobs started to get offshored and really took off when our economy went bust.
A service economy, a consumer economy doesn't CREATE anything. That did not happen overnight.
Where is the growth when all you do is buy stuff and fix stuff ?
We are reaping what we sowed.
In so far as the GOP has for years billed themselves as the party of "big business" I think it is fair to lay much of the blame at their feet.
Do I think they are solely to blame? No, but when the subject of wage protection arises, I don't think that it is inaccurate to note that it is generally the right that argues loudest for the "free market" and protecting profit at all costs. Who is it that is trying the hardest to break the unions a la Reagan, that vehicle that led to the greatest growth in the middle class ever in our history?
I do agree that we, as a population have allowed this to occur. We like and want our stuff. We like to eat and be warm in the winter. We are willing to go into debt to have that stuff. Once we have that debt, we are at the mercy of those who provide us with a means to pay off that debt.
So we arrive at "some job is better than no job" and are supposed to darned thankful for it.
In so far as the GOP has for years billed themselves as the party of "big business" I think it is fair to lay much of the blame at their feet.
Do I think they are solely to blame? No, but when the subject of wage protection arises, I don't think that it is inaccurate to note that it is generally the right that argues loudest for the "free market" and protecting profit at all costs. Who is it that is trying the hardest to break the unions a la Reagan, that vehicle that led to the greatest growth in the middle class ever in our history?
I do agree that we, as a population have allowed this to occur. We like and want our stuff. We like to eat and be warm in the winter. We are willing to go into debt to have that stuff. Once we have that debt, we are at the mercy of those who provide us with a means to pay off that debt. So we arrive at "some job is better than no job" and are supposed to darned thankful for it.
Globalization is here to stay and there's nothing we can do about it.
Well, Americans are going to have to adjust to lower wages.
As third world moves up in standard of living, first world will decline.
Eventually there will be an equilibrium. But for us, it will hurt.
People in third world countries cannot afford to buy goods made in the US but they can afford to buy goods made in their own country at a lower cost. US companies know that and have moved to those countries.
Companies that have moved offshore are making profits. Looking over their annual reports their profits are coming in from these emerging nations, not the US.
Eventually the US will pop because one can take on only so much debt. The government cannot subsidize everything for us although they might try. But this government subsidization is only perpetuating the high prices. A vicious circle for sure.
Globalization is here to stay and there's nothing we can do about it.
Well, Americans are going to have to adjust to lower wages.
As third world moves up in standard of living, first world will decline.
Eventually there will be an equilibrium. But for us, it will hurt.
People in third world countries cannot afford to buy goods made in the US but they can afford to buy goods made in their own country at a lower cost. US companies know that and have moved to those countries.
Companies that have moved offshore are making profits. Looking over their annual reports their profits are coming in from these emerging nations, not the US.
Eventually the US will pop because one can take on only so much debt. The government cannot subsidize everything for us although they might try. But this government subsidization is only perpetuating the high prices. A vicious circle for sure.
Lots of great points here. We all need to wake up and stop arguing amongst ourselves about petty internal issues and start looking outward. We are going to be left in the dust otherwise.
Our standard of living has been slowly declining. People didn't notice it because it didn't effect them and the numbers of people displaced (going from good earnings to min wage) were small.
But that accelerated around 2005 when white collar jobs started to get offshored and really took off when our economy went bust.
A service economy, a consumer economy doesn't CREATE anything. That did not happen overnight.
Where is the growth when all you do is buy stuff and fix stuff ?
Globalization is here to stay and there's nothing we can do about it.
Well, Americans are going to have to adjust to lower wages.
As third world moves up in standard of living, first world will decline.
Eventually there will be an equilibrium. But for us, it will hurt.
People in third world countries cannot afford to buy goods made in the US but they can afford to buy goods made in their own country at a lower cost. US companies know that and have moved to those countries.
Companies that have moved offshore are making profits. Looking over their annual reports their profits are coming in from these emerging nations, not the US.
Eventually the US will pop because one can take on only so much debt. The government cannot subsidize everything for us although they might try. But this government subsidization is only perpetuating the high prices. A vicious circle for sure.
We've always had globalization. Trade moving across borders and Nations is an ancient concept.
I was a software engineer (programmer) for 20+ years.
I have been following this offshoring since the mid 90's when my industry started offshoring their customer support and software fixes.
And I signed the petitions to stop the H1-B increases the corporations wanted.
But back in the 90's no one cared. There was "plenty of work" to go around and offshoring the grunt work supposedly freed us up to do the future work. But today that "future work" is even offshored.
The vocal minority back then was shouted down. Today more are affected by offshoring and the majority has opened their eyes. But it is too late to reverse the last 50 years.
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