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Despite the desperation of the Romney camp to avoid talking about social issues, the fact remains that this election is primarily about those social issues and not about the economy. Other posters have noted that, for young people, social issues far outrank economic issues in importance.
The thinking isn't that, were abortion illegal, it wouldn't lead to more full term pregnancies; the thinking is that, were abortions more difficult to get, that it would lead to fewer pregnancies: a lot of women who blithely look upon abortion as a back stop (a minority of women to be sure) would rethink using contraceptives (or insist that their sexual partners did.)
And the women who have honest BC failures are just what? Collateral damage?
Tell me.....should we also ban guns and alcohol because some people misuse them?
Considering that the Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is legal, thinking that abortion is a big issue is just, well, ignorant.
^^^^THIS!
It's about the economy stupid. Everything else is just clouding the water to gain votes from easily manipulated simpletons. Why is it the liberal talking points are always based on scare tactics.
RvW was settled by the SCOTUS 40 years ago. EVERY Democrat platform since has included a warning that RvW will be struck down if a Republican is elected. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, GW... and RvW is still firmly in place, go figure!
Now the Dems are bringing back race baiting and have added class warfare to their repertoire. Obama has a lot of nerve talking about "living in the past" while trying to revive the womens lib and racial tensions of the sixties. The only thing needed to complete the the dream is a war in Asia and a massive concert on a farm in NY.
The thinking isn't that, were abortion illegal, it wouldn't lead to more full term pregnancies; the thinking is that, were abortions more difficult to get, that it would lead to fewer pregnancies: a lot of women who blithely look upon abortion as a back stop (a minority of women to be sure) would rethink using contraceptives (or insist that their sexual partners did.)
And why is it your decision to make women have less access to abortions?
If Abortions were suddenly illegal and they just somehow stopped happening (because prohibitions always stop all of the newly-illegal activities, right?), would America be catapulted into economic prosperity? Would Jesus return from the dead as a Zombie again and bring on the 4 horsemen? Would God give us all the meaning of life? What BENEFIT would illegal abortion bring to us? Don't say "XX million babies wouldn't be dead"...that's a BS argument and one which can easily be combatted with "XX million babies would have been born into poverty or other bad situations and become tax burdens" and "X million of those XX abortions would have been miscarriages or other non-birth situations". My mother had three children but also at least 2 miscarriages after 4 months. That's only a 60% birth rate (and that's assuming those were her only miscarriages). My sister is 2/3 on her pregnancies as far as I know (two gorgeous kids that I think are the greatest things to grace this Earth and one miscarriage). My GF has been pregnant twice in our 7 years together despite the fact that we use multiple birth control methods...I wanted her to carry the child to term but she miscarried both times.
I am personally pro-life, but I'm only pro-life for my own genetic material. I want my offspring, but I don't think I can be pro-life for anyone's offspring but my own. Frankly, the more abortions there are, the better off society is...and that's a fact.
2. It doesn't say "all voters" it says women. Women aren't all swing voters, which is what you said earlier all swing voters are concerned with abortion.
It is based on a Pew poll.
The OP is correct (this time):
I don't really understand how they can categorize reproductive rights and same sex marriage as "social" issues vs. economic issues. They are economic issues as well. Without contraception (and let's not kid ourselves, some of the anti-choice folks are already going after that), women are the ones who usually end up dealing with childcare issues, which can limit their availability to work certain hours, etc. When same sex couples can't marry, it affects things like tax breaks available to married couples, property transfer, etc.
Absolutely they are. It is simply not possible to separate the two, which is why family planning is so important to women.
Gay marriage also ranks high with college-aged white people, who overwhelmingly support Obama at rates of nearly 5 to 1. Social issues really do drive everybody's politics on other issues. Look at this forum... The pro-gay people support Obama on everything and the anti-gay are against him. You have very few pro-gay people who are strong Romney supporters and very few anti-gay people who are Obama supporters. No matter what people say, social issues are king and always are the top reason people vote.
It's about the economy stupid. Everything else is just clouding the water to gain votes from easily manipulated simpletons. Why is it the liberal talking points are always based on scare tactics.
RvW was settled by the SCOTUS 40 years ago. EVERY Democrat platform since has included a warning that RvW will be struck down if a Republican is elected. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, GW... and RvW is still firmly in place, go figure!
Now the Dems are bringing back race baiting and have added class warfare to their repertoire. Obama has a lot of nerve talking about "living in the past" while trying to revive the womens lib and racial tensions of the sixties. The only thing needed to complete the the dream is a war in Asia and a massive concert on a farm in NY.
Yes, Roe v Wade was settled by the SCOTUS 40 years ago........ and the Republican Party is still energizing its base by vowing to overturn it. The Republican Party has also ramped up its efforts to subvert Roe v Wade.....intoducing over 900 pieces of legislation to do just that in the last two years.
So.....just who is keeping the issue of abortion in the forefront?
Bottom Line: Abortion would not be an issue if Republicans would just accept the ruling SCOTUS made 40 years ago and move on.
And the women who honestly have BC failures are just what? Collateral damage?
Tell me.....should we also ban guns and alcohol because some people misuse them?
Shows you what an awesome responsibility women have. As to guns and alcohol, which certainly can kill if abused, at least there's no doubt among serious people that the lives lost due to alcohol are choate (by that I mean fully formed and deserving of protection). Pro-choicers mostly claim that the fetus is a lump of goo until birth; pro-Lifers say life begins at conception. (I say that it's not concretely known and that the benefit of the doubt should favor nascent life.)
Shows you what an awesome responsibility women have. As to guns and alcohol, which certainly can kill if abused, at least there's no doubt among serious people that the lives lost due to alcohol are choate (by that I mean fully formed and deserving of protection). Pro-choicers mostly claim that the fetus is a lump of goo until birth; pro-Lifers say life begins at conception. (I say that it's not concretely known and that the benefit of the doubt should favor nascent life.)
Sooooooo......... why shouldn't we also ban guns and alcohol? Banning them would also save lives.....no doubt about that.
If it wasn't so easy to get alcohol, less people would drink, less people would be killed during domestic arguments and less people would be killed by drunk drivers......so why shouldn't we ban it? {And....there would also be less uninteded pregnancies.}
If it was illegal to own a gun, less people would be killed by guns......so why shouldn't we ban guns?
Why shouldn't we protect life at ALL costs?
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