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Old 10-24-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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like the former democrat Vin Suprynowicz said.

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In order to be liberal, you have to be able to believe two contradictory things at the same time
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:30 PM
 
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Do you really believe that adding 10s of millions more people onto an already overburned healthcare insurance system will make things cheaper? If 10 million more people bought gas today, than yesterday, would that make the price go down? If 10,000 more people suddenly wanted to go to the FSU vs VT game on Thursday night, would the price go down? Seriously liberals, you can't tell me you really think this way.

Do you really think Obama's inflationary spending policies help the middle class in a time of stagnant wages? Do you really think Obama, with the Benghazi debacle, thousands of dead civilians as the result of his drones is good with foreign policy? Do you really think Obama, who extended the Patriot act is the chanmpion of civil liberties and peace?


This has to be some cruel twist of revenge for all those years the right defended Bush regardless of what he did because this administration's acts and the left's defense of it is simply illogical otherwise.
I know you're not gonna fess up to it, but YOU were a supporter of those Bush policies.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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Do you believe that people paying out of pocket $500 per person per household with no guaranteed coverage (as in accident) is a fair option in this corrupt health system?

How is it any different, besides the fact that people won't be raped out of their pockets and will still have equal access?

Unless of course, you're okay with basically have the major insurance companies own you and a majority of your income, anyway.

Nice tradeoff!
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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Do you really believe that adding 10s of millions more people onto an already overburned healthcare insurance system will make things cheaper? If 10 million more people bought gas today, than yesterday, would that make the price go down? If 10,000 more people suddenly wanted to go to the FSU vs VT game on Thursday night, would the price go down? Seriously liberals, you can't tell me you really think this way.
Your analogy only works if those "10s of millions" all want to go see the same doctor on the same day. Then yes, cost would go up (for that one doctor) because that one doctor is a finite resource. But they don't do they? Think about it. Would the price for the FSU vs VT game go up if 10,000 more people don't care what game they see as long as it's football?

Unless you're suggesting that we add "10s of millions" of non-citizens to the healthcare system, those "10s of millions" are already part of the healthcare system. Think about it. If you still don't get it, consult Mitt Romney: Romney: Uninsured have emergency rooms

If you're referring to "insurance policy", then yes, adding "10s of millions" to the insurance industry will definitely drive down cost unless those "10s of millions" are all very sick and all require expensive care. It's call supply and demand, you may want to look that up too.

Lastly, you don't seem to understand the difference between oil (a finite resource) with insurance policies (not a finite resource). In 2006, a 60 inch big screen cost over $5,000. Then more and more people want a big screen. Today, you can buy one for 20% of that. As more people want them, more big screen were produced, which also speed up the technology, and the prices come down as a result. Same with healthcare, as more doctors/nurses are needed, more people will get into those areas. As more insurance policies are sold, prices come down because the insurers' risk/cost are spread more evenly. Which will lead to lower prices for all. It's how the free market works. You may want to get acquainted with this concept we called "free market."


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Do you really think Obama's inflationary spending policies help the middle class in a time of stagnant wages? Do you really think Obama, with the Benghazi debacle, thousands of dead civilians as the result of his drones is good with foreign policy? Do you really think Obama, who extended the Patriot act is the chanmpion of civil liberties and peace?
"Inflationary spending policies"??? I don't know what on earth you're talking about - Inflation is not a problem. The latest inflation rate is a meager 2%, which is lower than under GW Bush's. Not even Romney, who'd blame earthquakes on Obama if he could, brought up inflation as an issue. Is this one of Glenn Beck's conspiracy theory?


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This has to be some cruel twist of revenge for all those years the right defended Bush regardless of what he did because this administration's acts and the left's defense of it is simply illogical otherwise.
Really? Unemployment down from 10+% to 7.8%. Economy blooming where I live. OBN killed. The free market rescued. Stock market is back. Housing is back. The rest of the world not named China would kill for our economy.

As opposed to Bush. Screwed up the war. Pissed on the justice system. And for his grand finally - whacked the economy. I remember that every freakin week I read about their screwups. Every week. Every single week they broke something. Every damn week some new screwups emerged. Sometimes two three screwups hit you in the same week. It was unbelievable! Even Louis Black said, "I can't keep up! I don't even have a Port of Dubai joke yet and we're already on to immigration! Slow down! Slow the hell down Bush!!"

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Old 10-25-2012, 02:50 AM
 
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Do you really believe that adding 10s of millions more people onto an already overburned healthcare insurance system will make things cheaper? If 10 million more people bought gas today, than yesterday, would that make the price go down? If 10,000 more people suddenly wanted to go to the FSU vs VT game on Thursday night, would the price go down? Seriously liberals, you can't tell me you really think this way.

Do you really think Obama's inflationary spending policies help the middle class in a time of stagnant wages? Do you really think Obama, with the Benghazi debacle, thousands of dead civilians as the result of his drones is good with foreign policy? Do you really think Obama, who extended the Patriot act is the chanmpion of civil liberties and peace?


This has to be some cruel twist of revenge for all those years the right defended Bush regardless of what he did because this administration's acts and the left's defense of it is simply illogical otherwise.
I suppose all r's are goose stepping to their party.
Anti-woman and all.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:52 AM
 
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'Free' healthcare works in many other countries, so should surely be able to do so in the US.

why ever not?
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:31 AM
 
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Easily explained:
buy 1 (one) price, $15.00
buy millions, price, 5 cents

simple economics
it's sometimes called wholesale or vendor cost
walmart does it all the time, all the time.
the more people who might sign onto healthcare, the lower the price might go, with regulations in place, so insurance companies don't get too greedy. we know how they are now, don't we?
leveraging works, it's like arm twisting.
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Old 10-25-2012, 03:57 AM
 
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sounds good to me.

Insurance is just a blatant scam - time to do away with it!
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:05 AM
 
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It's a simple supply and demand issue. More demand less supply and prices increase. That's what Medicare and wage and price controls got you and you've been complaining about how much healthcare cost have risen nearly the entire time you had/have both.

$4,069,000,000,000/year.

That's why a universal system won't work because your country doesn't have $4 trillion a year laying around to pay for fantasy land.

We have a super recent example of what happens when the government gets in to a market and tries to manipulate it to make a product more affordable and how'd that whole affordable housing thing work out?
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Old 10-25-2012, 04:12 AM
 
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I'm still amazed that a healthcare program conceived and supported by REPUBLICANS is so widely panned by the same party.
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