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Old 10-19-2020, 09:11 AM
 
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Imagine for a moment all your life you are responsible for your sperm. In all the decades of your life have you ever forgot a day of medication? Should the consequences of a minor screw up like that be carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term labor deliver and raise a child for 18 year? Because you accidentally forgot a pill? I guess no matter your circumstances you being responsible for your own sperm would go through with pregnancy, because after all you were fallible.

Or you are a young girl not intending to have sex, who wants to be a virgin, so at present you don’t have to take birth control. Go on a date and get date raped. Or raped by a stranger. Do you deserve do you desire now to become a parent as a result of another’s actions?
Worse things happen every day to people who fail/forget to take appropriate preventative actions. Happened to my spouse's niece. She made a left turn on a yellow light thinking she could make it before the red and got t-boned by a semi coming from the opposite direction running the yellow light for the exact same reason. She was airlifted to the hospital but died a few days later from her extensive injuries. The accident was her fault: failing to yield to oncoming traffic when turning left. She died because she failed to take precautions while all along knowing the risks.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:14 AM
 
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I don't think anyone likes abortion. I don't. But I support it being legal an accessible for the following reasons:

Abortion scenarios:
1. Good mother facing high risk of death if pregnancy continues
2. Very young child pregnant by sexual abuse, assault, including incest
3. Irresponsible woman who could care less about the fetus. If they're willing to abort it how would it be treated after birth?

In any of those scenarios how does society benefit by forcing the pregnancy to continue or pushing the mother into a black market abortion? I am not comfortable with govt making a blanket law about such things. Now if any woman facing those circumstances still wants to give birth that is fine by me, it is their decision. If it is a sin that is between that woman and her God. Men sin by looking at porn all the time, it is still legal and accessible.
Thats all fine and dandy and your opinion.
I just want to point out that just like many others your opinion of ok abortions is a judgement.
your not stating that abortion is either ethical or non ethical, moral or immoral but giving the red or green light based on you judgement of these pregnant women.

In what possible scenario does society benefit by forcing women to give birth or seek a risky illegal procedure.
One in which a randy woman consensually enjoyed sex but did not use bc or forgot a pill or didnt use three forms of bc. Just saying.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:18 AM
 
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I'm not pro or anti abortion as such , but I've never been able to fathom the pro abortion argument of there being an inalienable right for women to make unilateral decisions to terminate their pregnancies .

After all it's not like women can get pregnant by themselves and there are plenty of cases where the father of their child is not at all some absent shadowy figure .

That said I firmly believe legislation regarding this issue ( and every other hot button social one for that matter ) should be decided at the local level , since this country has been in the thrall of senseless federal/state level shenanigans concerning it for far too long .
So for those of you who believe that because a man drops some fertile sperm in a woman's vagina he should have a say in that pregnancy.

Just what does that look like. What kind of say should a sperm donor have. Can he force a woman to have an abortion against her will. Can he block her. How would this be decided.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:23 AM
 
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2 bodies involved not her choice.
Why not just remove the little body from the big body?
Why cant she just decide to take it out. I mean its a baby right, its not a part of her body so it should be just fine. You dont have to kill it to remove it do you, since its not her body.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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Patently false, as I've already stated. Child support payments reimburse either partially or in full for the cost of birth.
NO THEY DO NOT.
Site the law.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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Why not just remove the little body from the big body?
Why cant she just decide to take it out. I mean its a baby right, its not a part of her body so it should be just fine. You dont have to kill it to remove it do you, since its not her body.
It's not a part of her body. It has different different DNA. I thought liberals were pro- actual science? Guess that's not true, huh?
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:28 AM
 
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Anyone who engages in sex that might result in pregnancy is making a conscious decision to accept the fact that pregnancy is a possible outcome. Ignoring that fact is the epitome of ignorance and irresponsibility.
Take you own advice then and stop complaining about a man not having a say in abortion or child support.

Any MAN who engages in sex that might result in pregnancy is making a conscious decision to accept the fact that pregnancy is a possible outcome. Ignoring that fact is the epitome of ignorance and irresponsibility.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:29 AM
 
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NO THEY DO NOT.
Site the law.
Court-ordered child support payments.

Birth Expenses, Pregnancy Expenses, and Child Support in Paternity Cases

A judge may order a father to pay for pregnancy and birth expenses in some circumstances.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:30 AM
 
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Worse things happen every day to people who fail/forget to take appropriate preventative actions. Happened to my spouse's niece. She made a left turn on a yellow light thinking she could make it before the red and got t-boned by a semi coming from the opposite direction running the yellow light for the exact same reason. She was airlifted to the hospital but died a few days later from her extensive injuries. The accident was her fault: failing to yield to oncoming traffic when turning left. She died because she failed to take precautions while all along knowing the risks.
She should not have been driving then.
If you get behind the wheel of a car there is a chance you will die from injuries from an accident.
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Old 10-19-2020, 09:35 AM
 
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She should not have been driving then.
If you get behind the wheel of a car there is a chance you will die from injuries from an accident.
Same with sex. If a fertile girl/woman has consensual sex that might result in pregnancy, she voluntarily accepts pregnancy as an outcome.
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