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So make up your mind. Do you want to cut the deficit and debt by government spending less, or do you want to keep defense contractors keeping people employed making items the military neither needs nor wants?
Something is wrong with this picture. Who decides what hardware the miltary needs? Isn't it the Military? The Congress doesn't know jack squat about this stuff. They only authorize the spending of dollars for a program after the military has aproved the concept and given it the "nod", then requested the funding to have it built.
Boeing dosen't build stuff and hope the Military likes it, although, they may have concepts in work for presentation. But they don't shell out money for something that isn't sold. Do they? I think not. I think they are approached by the Military first, and told what they are looking for.
I just don't see how it is possible that the Military is forced to buy something they don't need. Somebody must have approved the project.
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Does government not create jobs, or does government spending directly influence employment?
That is indirectly, in that sense, yes. Government is not a "Job creator" in the typical sense. However, just because the government buys something doesn't mean Boeing goes out and hires half a million new employees! They already have the employees. They may need to add a few jobs only. Boeing is still the job creator, even though the market may be established by US Military requirements.
Right now the government is broke. It's a wonder anyone is accepting government contracts, and I know from personal experience working for a company that did do some business with the government, the government is a pain in the ass to deal with!
However, when any conversations come up about job creation, we are not typically talking about military contractors, working for the government. We are talking about small businesses (although the could be large, such as a Microsoft or an Apple). We are talking about the people with an idea that pour their money, sweat and blood into a buisness, and then if they are lucky, and their poduct takes off, are able to expand and grow. Those are the real job creators. The govenment shouldn't be descouraging them with onerous regulations and "make work" and other costly requirements such as with the new CPSIU (Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act) which probably has already caused new entrepreneurs by the droves to simply give up. It just isn't worth what they have to go through. And they risk heavy fines if they don't dot every 'i' and cross every 't'.
And, these regulations apply even to Ebay sellers, though most of them don't even know it yet.
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Seriously, what do you want because you can't have it all?
It's a convenient excuse if the company isn't doing well. Parts of the ACA are already in effect. They're lying.
'They're lying'. Well, there's an astute analysis.
Let's try another one. Several of the firms listed make medical devices. On Jan 1, 2013 one part of the ACA not already in effect will kick in. The 2.3% tax on..wait for it..medical devices. Think an additional tax might have something to do with it? Maybe??
'They're lying'. Well, there's an astute analysis.
Let's try another one. Several of the firms listed make medical devices. On Jan 1, 2013 one part of the ACA not already in effect will kick in. The 2.3% tax on..wait for it..medical devices. Think an additional tax might have something to do with it? Maybe??
If they're laying off now, in anticipation of something that will happen in two months, yes, they're lying. The device makers aren't going to pay the tax anyway. The consumers of said devices will pay it. If the consumers need the product, they'll pay. They may b****, but they'll pay.
If they're laying off now, in anticipation of something that will happen in two months, yes, they're lying. The device makers aren't going to pay the tax anyway. The consumers of said devices will pay it. If the consumers need the product, they'll pay. They may b****, but they'll pay.
"Companies PLAN Massive Layoffs"..right there in the title. And when they know this tax WILL go into effect, in just two months...of course they'll plan for it. And I'm pretty sure that the makers will be the ones paying for it...along with the consumer either directly or through increased premiums.
If they're laying off now, in anticipation of something that will happen in two months, yes, they're lying. The device makers aren't going to pay the tax anyway. The consumers of said devices will pay it. If the consumers need the product, they'll pay. They may b****, but they'll pay.
You cut back medicare and what they will pay out so you won't get that money from the consumer.
So what should they do..eat that tax ?
It's estimated that the 50 top medical device companies will generate $2 billion in tax revenue.
That's $2 billion taken from these companies as tax with no guarantee insurance companies will pay a higher cost for these devices.
So where do they cut to make up the difference..labor.
What many of you are not taking into consideration is that the companies that are not performing well and/or laying off people will be replaced with a more efficient one with better benefits under Obamacare. Wait a minute! Is'nt this what mitt was talking about letting them go bankrupt? The conservatives should be happy because none of these companies are getting any bailout money
When will you and other Obama worshipers realize that many businesses were just waiting around to see it there was a chance of repeal? There is no chance of it now so we are stuck with the beginning of socialized medicine which is what Obamacare was supposed to be in the beginning. I can't wait for the 15 member appointed panel that I consider a death panel to make its declarations that will lead to the use of assisted suicide for we old people.
We are living with death panels called state Medicare commissions right now. The less they allow doctors to collect from them the fewer doctors will assist Medicare patients.
I guess that you did not get the memo. It would cost the country more money to get rid of Obamacare then it would save by using it. The SC has already ruled in it's favor and if the refuticans in congress had fought it 33 times and lost please tell who in the hell was waiting for it to be repealed?
Death panels? Really? That is soooo republican speak that has been debunked for years now The reason that physicians don't want to take medicare has very little to do with Obamacare and more to do with the low payments and the difficulty that it is to get paid. These conditions were happening BEFORE Obama took office in 2008.
You cut back medicare and what they will pay out so you won't get that money from the consumer.
So what should they do..eat that tax ?
It's estimated that the 50 top medical device companies will generate $2 billion in tax revenue.
That's $2 billion taken from these companies as tax with no guarantee insurance companies will pay a higher cost for these devices.
So where do they cut to make up the difference..labor.
You've got a couple of different issues going on here, that is, medicare cuts and this device tax. I don't know how the device makers are going to cut back on labor unless they make fewer devices.
It's a convenient excuse if the company isn't doing well. Parts of the ACA are already in effect. They're lying.
And 0bama has waivers to 0bamaCare that he hands out to a special lucky few, which oddly enough turns out to be mostly unions workers.
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The reason that physicians don't want to take medicare has very little to do with Obamacare and more to do with the low payments and the difficulty that it is to get paid. These conditions were happening BEFORE Obama took office in 2008.
