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I love how religion and politics are now intertwined. I thought there was separation of church and state? It's in the Constitution, law of the land. That document can be debatable since the Constitution was constructed by Freemasons, who work alongside Zionists, which are the sub genre of Jews we're allying with. It's not a matter of being anti-Christian, it's a matter of displaying the truth that we're allying with the wrong elements of Israel, the same ones who murdered Yitzkah Rabin and covered it up, and Great Britain, who the Queen had Diana murdered.
Hmmm....
Someone just went to the bargain bin at Conspiracy R Us and pulled out a little of this and a little of that.
I love how religion and politics are now intertwined. I thought there was separation of church and state? It's in the Constitution, law of the land. That document can be debatable since the Constitution was constructed by Freemasons, who work alongside Zionists, which are the sub genre of Jews we're allying with. It's not a matter of being anti-Christian, it's a matter of displaying the truth that we're allying with the wrong elements of Israel, the same ones who murdered Yitzkah Rabin and covered it up, and Great Britain, who the Queen had Diana murdered.
They really are. We are at a point where if you are of strong faith, you are Republican and if you are of weak faith or a non-believer, you are Democrat. There are exceptions but that's generally the rule. Only 30% of the younger generation vote Republican which just happens to be right around the percentage that considers themselves religious.
They really are. We are at a point where if you are of strong faith, you are Republican and if you are of weak faith or a non-believer, you are Democrat. There are exceptions but that's generally the rule. Only 30% of the younger generation vote Republican which just happens to be right around the percentage that considers themselves religious.
Very interesting, but I think the 30% has more to do with youth than religion. Many of us get more conservative as we get older..Actually I am not as conservative as I was 30 years ago, but I am probably the exception to the rule. Within our own family we have everything from very religious to agnostic or areligious I guess you would say and from 20 to 76. Everyone in the family is conservative to ultra conservative.
Very interesting, but I think the 30% has more to do with youth than religion. Many of us get more conservative as we get older..Actually I am not as conservative as I was 30 years ago, but I am probably the exception to the rule. Within our own family we have everything from very religious to agnostic or areligious I guess you would say and from 20 to 76. Everyone in the family is conservative to ultra conservative.
Most people in my family are Reagan Democrats, strong family values conservatives but pro-labor. My own views, I would say, are Reagan Democrat/Eisenhower Republican. I jump around both sides of the center, but for the most part I like to consider myself somewhere in the center at any given time.
As for social issues, the RNC needs to drop the abortion issue and let the state GOP parties handle that issue. As for gay marriage, drop the issue and adopt a no government marriage stance. No judges are allowed to marry, only allowed to form civil unions. If you want to get married, go to a priest, imam, rabbi, whatever. There should be no distinction when it comes to rights or anything like that, other than the person who signed that piece of paper. Then maybe, just maybe, the TV airtime will be taken up by things worth discussing
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Most people in my family are Reagan Democrats, strong family values conservatives but pro-labor. My own views, I would say, are Reagan Democrat/Eisenhower Republican. I jump around both sides of the center, but for the most part I like to consider myself somewhere in the center at any given time.
As for social issues, the RNC needs to drop the abortion issue and let the state GOP parties handle that issue. As for gay marriage, drop the issue and adopt a no government marriage stance. No judges are allowed to marry, only allowed to form civil unions. If you want to get married, go to a priest, imam, rabbi, whatever. There should be no distinction when it comes to rights or anything like that, other than the person who signed that piece of paper. Then maybe, just maybe, the TV airtime will be taken up by things worth discussing
Works for me! And actually Evangelical folks are welcome to whatever their beliefs, as long as they aren't looking to ''politics'' to enforce 'em on everyone else!
Which really points to what seems to be the biggest problem with so much of the Fundamentalist & Evangelical crowd these days, that instead of just sticking to their faith and religious dogma, and ''leaving to Caesar that which is Caesar's''... now they also wanna march in lock-step on virtually every political position as well! Heck, even the neo-cons are less ''cookie cutter'' than that!!
Works for me! And actually Evangelical folks are welcome to whatever their beliefs, as long as they aren't looking to ''politics'' to enforce 'em on everyone else!
Which really points to what seems to be the biggest problem with so much of the Fundamentalist & Evangelical crowd these days, that instead of just sticking to their faith and religious dogma, and ''leaving to Caesar that which is Caesar's''... now they also wanna march in lock-step on virtually every political position as well! Heck, even the neo-cons are less ''cookie cutter'' than that!!
I'm an Evangelical Christian Protestant, and I'm tired of gay marriage being brought up every election. Easy solution, adopt my view. Marriage stays with the church, where it rightfully belongs and not to an imperfect human institution that is government, and everyone goes home happy. Problem is, then people will have to start to talk about serious issues that actually matter and affect 100% of the population, not the 1%, and they don't want to do that
Most people in my family are Reagan Democrats, strong family values conservatives but pro-labor. My own views, I would say, are Reagan Democrat/Eisenhower Republican. I jump around both sides of the center, but for the most part I like to consider myself somewhere in the center at any given time.
As for social issues, the RNC needs to drop the abortion issue and let the state GOP parties handle that issue. As for gay marriage, drop the issue and adopt a no government marriage stance. No judges are allowed to marry, only allowed to form civil unions. If you want to get married, go to a priest, imam, rabbi, whatever. There should be no distinction when it comes to rights or anything like that, other than the person who signed that piece of paper. Then maybe, just maybe, the TV airtime will be taken up by things worth discussing
I pretty much agree with you and I don't think Abortion should even be an issue when it comes to voting, the politicans should leave it alone and none of us should vote based on certain social issues. I feel the same about same sex marriage, how I feel about it and whethre it belongs in the platform are 2 different things. We were discussing this last night after dinner. our 29 year old grandson in law, mentioned, as Republicans, we have to get away from evangelicals speaking for the party. I might add, he and our granddaughter, go to a non demoninational church but it is pretty fundamentalist...On the other hand, our 26 year old younger granddaughter who is a agnostic believes these issues should be part of the voting platform: she is pro life and anti gay marriage: go figure!!!!!
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Both parties have their folks with extremist views. The difference is we still have some grasp on what's ''mainstream'' (which the majority voted for), whereas the current GOP seems to regard what's ''normal'' as much more ''relative'' and ''situational''. In fact there's arguably nothing too ''extreme'' anymore, when a party shows no accountability and the stock reply to every bit of racism, violent excess, and shear off-the-rails nuttery, seems to be.... ''but that's not representative, and besides, look over here instead, Lib-ruls are even worse''!
They really are. We are at a point where if you are of strong faith, you are Republican and if you are of weak faith or a non-believer, you are Democrat. There are exceptions but that's generally the rule. Only 30% of the younger generation vote Republican which just happens to be right around the percentage that considers themselves religious.
Actually, we are at a point where the republican party has attempted to coopt the Christian faith and brand it as a GOP owned and operated affiliate, while steadfastly refusing to follow the teachings of the Christ they claim to follow. Christ was a rabbi, a teacher, a healer, and a pacifist. He never took pay for any of the acts He performed, and in fact preached against the accumulation of wealth and lived on the charity of others. He was buried in a donated tomb, and the first person who saw him after the Resurrection was an ex-prostitute. He would be probably be considered a socialist if he was preaching currently. He decidedly would not be a republican.
We Dems have seen Pharisees and hypocrites before.
Watching that wacko Hucklebee on Fox News preach to me is disgusting. God intended you to do this and do that. blah blah blah. What a nutcase.
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