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The Titanic didn't sink for a while after hitting the iceberg. And the people who drove it into the berg, never intended to sink the ship. Their intentions were entirely benign - getting the ship to its destination quickly.
But as soon as it hit, the people on board who knew what they were doing, knew immediately the ship was doomed, long before it slipped under the waves.
Just because Obamacare and other leftist schemes haven't driven the nation to destruction yet, doesn't mean it isn't headed for the bottom as a result of them. And despite the benign intentions of those driving the programs.
Ummm, no it isn't. To anyone who knows history and human nature, the actual results of these programs are preordained, and even obvious.
If it is clear millions of business and citizens can not pay the for profit insurance premium it will end because the people said so. If it ain't sustainable it ain't sustainable. As I said before, Obamacare will change from the original bill because it will have to if need be. Americans on the delivery of health care are so divided because the current system is a patchwork nightmare that once Americans are sharing the pain and united at the same time, it will change in a big hurry. I don't think this, I know this.
The biggest actions Americans could take to reduce health care costs is to stop concentrating on healthcare policy and instead take a look at themselves and take steps to reduce obesity (35.7 of Americans are obese) and reduce smoking rates.
And the amazing thing is that one's weight and smoking behaviors are 100 % under an individual's control: nothing to do with healthcare policy or the republicans or democrats! Only you would have to eat less, smoke less, and start exercising --- i.e. take some personal responsibility for health instead of criticizing the government all the time.
According to the CDC:
"In 2008, medical costs associated with obesity were estimated at $147 billion; the medical costs for people who are obese were $1,429 higher than those of normal weight."
"Cigarette smoking costs more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures)."
That's per year ! Just think savings of $340 billion a year are possible ! So stop looking to the government to solve everything, take action yourself or help family members or friends lose weight or stop smoking.
The biggest actions Americans could take to reduce health care costs is to stop concentrating on healthcare policy and instead take a look at themselves and take steps to reduce obesity (35.7 of Americans are obese) and reduce smoking rates.
And the amazing thing is that one's weight and smoking behaviors are 100 % under an individual's control: nothing to do with healthcare policy or the republicans or democrats! Only you would have to eat less, smoke less, and start exercising --- i.e. take some personal responsibility for health instead of criticizing the government all the time.
According to the CDC:
"In 2008, medical costs associated with obesity were estimated at $147 billion; the medical costs for people who are obese were $1,429 higher than those of normal weight."
"Cigarette smoking costs more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures)."
That's per year ! Just think savings of $340 billion a year are possible ! So stop looking to the government to solve everything, take action yourself or help family members or friends lose weight or stop smoking.
ummm...I know it seems somewhat related, and it's good information, but it seems more Off Topic than on. How does it relate to the title of the thread about the purpose of Obamacare?
I don't want to discourage you. Maybe start a new thread. Michelle O will appreciate you for sure.
ummm...I know it seems somewhat related, and it's good information, but it seems more Off Topic than on. How does it relate to the title of the thread about the purpose of Obamacare?
I don't want to discourage you. Maybe start a new thread. Michelle O will appreciate you for sure.
This thread started with an opinion that "the real purpose of Obamacare was to expand government control."
My point, which I think is appropriate for this discussion, is that all of us have something far closer to us that is within OUR OWN CONTROL concerning healthcare--- the decisions we make every day about our own health and lifestyle.
We wouldn't need to worry so much about what the government is doing, the size of its healthcare expenditures, if individual Americans got the one thing under control that really IS in their own control --- their weight and bad lifestyle habits.
We can argue that there is a healthcare crisis in the U.S. because of out-of-control costs and government policies we don't like --- or we can first take a look at ourselves and how obesity and unhealthy lifestyles are impacting healthcare costs.
People want to debate Obamacare endlessly, but how many of them are making any individual effort to curb healthcare costs?
^^^ Fact is, we have Obamacare which will have a huge financial impact on everyone --whatever their personal habits - the very fit and the not so fit, the young and the old and older. Some conditions we can control, some we can't. That's an education project that Michelle has already embarked upon.
Can you comment on what you think about the statement: Purpose of Obamacare was NOT to provide healthcare.
The biggest actions Americans could take to reduce health care costs is to stop concentrating on healthcare policy and instead take a look at themselves and take steps to reduce obesity (35.7 of Americans are obese) and reduce smoking rates.
And the amazing thing is that one's weight and smoking behaviors are 100 % under an individual's control: nothing to do with healthcare policy or the republicans or democrats! Only you would have to eat less, smoke less, and start exercising --- i.e. take some personal responsibility for health instead of criticizing the government all the time.
According to the CDC:
"In 2008, medical costs associated with obesity were estimated at $147 billion; the medical costs for people who are obese were $1,429 higher than those of normal weight."
"Cigarette smoking costs more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures)."
That's per year ! Just think savings of $340 billion a year are possible ! So stop looking to the government to solve everything, take action yourself or help family members or friends lose weight or stop smoking.
Think about it: You want people to live their entire lives by estimated costs from a slanted source immersed in lookint o the interests of profitable health industries. Is that all life is? Savings & expenditures? Is the new morality based solely on the dollar sign and health prohibitions meant to slake the irratability of the Thou-Shalt-Nots?
Co-existence does not mean enforcing one way for all. Think about what these 'experts' want. It has nothing to do with health so much as control and job security. There will always be another menace to be policed.
Think about it: You want people to live their entire lives by estimated costs from a slanted source immersed in lookint o the interests of profitable health industries. Is that all life is? Savings & expenditures? Is the new morality based solely on the dollar sign and health prohibitions meant to slake the irratability of the Thou-Shalt-Nots?
Co-existence does not mean enforcing one way for all. Think about what these 'experts' want. It has nothing to do with health so much as control and job security. There will always be another menace to be policed.
I'm not sure what you mean. People would be saving their own lives by stopping smoking and not being obese. I don't see that it has much to do with the experts.
^^^ Fact is, we have Obamacare which will have a huge financial impact on everyone --whatever their personal habits - the very fit and the not so fit, the young and the old and older. Some conditions we can control, some we can't. That's an education project that Michelle has already embarked upon.
Can you comment on what you think about the statement: Purpose of Obamacare was NOT to provide healthcare.
Well I do think the purpose of Obamacare IS to provide healthcare access to those who are currently unable to access it because they cannot afford health insurance.
Remember the wealthy are the business owners and they only make up 1%.
Longshot that they could have swayed the election.
The wealthy are the business owners?
Seriously?
How many businesses are owned by just normal, average income earning people, do ya reckon?
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