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If we start turning in people for not being politically correct we are in HUGE trouble as a country.
Amen. Isn't it sad people do not realize that. This thread reminds me of a communist country.
We were always told, "I don't agree with what you just said, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Wonder whatever happened to that freedom of speech idea. This country reminds me of a bunch of little children saying, "I'm going to tell your momma on you." Grow up and get a life.
I went to the grocery store today and in one sentence the person checking us out both made a religious and a rude statement. He said, "You guys have a blessed day." So he called us an ugly word before he wished us well. I politely told him to have a nice day. I wanted to add that I am not a guy, but he would not have understood why I would say that. (Guy definition: Person of grotesque appearance.) I consider being called grotesque as being very rude.
See your problem is you don't want free speech. A person can say whatever they want. And other people can say, hey I have a problem with what you said and here is how you will be dealt with for saying it because it violates the law or violates the rules of the company.
So by all means, a person is free to insult whomever that person chooses. What that person doesn't have the right to control how people respond and the consequences of their words.
Awww... did your widdle feewings get a boo-boo?
I do want free speech. The catch is, you and others want to dictate what should be allowed and classified as free speech because you or someone else may get their panties in a wad if someone says something that hurts their precious feelings.
The real problem with this politically correct mumbo jumbo nonsense is anything that someone says which another claims to have hurt their feelings can become off limits, and become a disciplinary issue.
Go back and re-read 1984 by George Orwell. Remember Doublethink, Thoughtcrime, and Newspeak?
In a world where our inalienable rights come from GOD... The right to exist... The right to think... The right to say what is on one's mind... we should be able to say what ever is on our mind, because those words do not create any harm. The harm does not come until one perceives those words, ANY words, regardless of whether or not they were intended to commit harm, as harmful to their precious feelings. After all... their feelings matter more than reality.
You know, I have been sexually harassed. Didn't say a thing. I was fired from a job for refusing to sleep with my female manager. Not only didn't I say a thing, I laughed about it then went out & found a new job in a hurry. I've been discriminated against for being white. Didn't say a thing. I've been denied a job because I was not a minority, a female or disabled. Didn't say a thing. I've been called all kinds of names by small minded people and don't say a thing. I debate a lot, give as good (or more more because I'm dealing with a wussified metro-sexual who won't dish it out like I am willing to) as I take, and it's all good because those words don't hurt me. They are only words. They only hurt people who allow others to control them, their reactions and their feelings.
What's next? If I wear a certain color that someone finds offensive, will that be off limits too? How about if one of my tattoos shows and it offends someone? What if I don't have tattoos and THAT offends someone. What if I part my hair on the same side Hitler did and that offends someone? What if I carry myself in a manner that offends someone? At what point do we finally say, enough with your crybaby feelings? At what point do we finally say we will no longer tip-toe around, walking on egg shells, because your feelings keep getting hurt?
Thanks for giving me a good reason to voice my disdain with political correctness issues dealing with words and a person's feelings.
Nothing like reporting someone for being politically incorrect, but today I had lunch with a coworker who is lower on the totem pole than I. The guy normally means well but he is somewhat inept and lacking in social skills and tends to be very loud, obnoxious and arrogant. In fact a number of people in the office don't like him at all but have to tolerate him. He often wears his right-wing politics on his sleeve and on the way back from lunch he started spouting off conspiracy theories over Benghazi etc and how much he hates Obama and other regurgitated crap from Fox News. I basically told him that he will have to find other conspiracy theorists to discuss his crap with and that in good company you don't bring up your politics and religion. It shut him up about all that stuff. He did apologize but I'll probably end up reducing my interactions with him.
I do want free speech. The catch is, you and others want to dictate what should be allowed and classified as free speech because you or someone else may get their panties in a wad if someone says something that hurts their precious feelings.
The real problem with this politically correct mumbo jumbo nonsense is anything that someone says which another claims to have hurt their feelings can become off limits, and become a disciplinary issue.
Go back and re-read 1984 by George Orwell. Remember Doublethink, Thoughtcrime, and Newspeak?
In a world where our inalienable rights come from GOD... The right to exist... The right to think... The right to say what is on one's mind... we should be able to say what ever is on our mind, because those words do not create any harm. The harm does not come until one perceives those words, ANY words, regardless of whether or not they were intended to commit harm, as harmful to their precious feelings. After all... their feelings matter more than reality.
You know, I have been sexually harassed. Didn't say a thing. I was fired from a job for refusing to sleep with my female manager. Not only didn't I say a thing, I laughed about it then went out & found a new job in a hurry. I've been discriminated against for being white. Didn't say a thing. I've been denied a job because I was not a minority, a female or disabled. Didn't say a thing. I've been called all kinds of names by small minded people and don't say a thing. I debate a lot, give as good (or more more because I'm dealing with a wussified metro-sexual who won't dish it out like I am willing to) as I take, and it's all good because those words don't hurt me. They are only words. They only hurt people who allow others to control them, their reactions and their feelings.
What's next? If I wear a certain color that someone finds offensive, will that be off limits too? How about if one of my tattoos shows and it offends someone? What if I don't have tattoos and THAT offends someone. What if I part my hair on the same side Hitler did and that offends someone? What if I carry myself in a manner that offends someone? At what point do we finally say, enough with your crybaby feelings? At what point do we finally say we will no longer tip-toe around, walking on egg shells, because your feelings keep getting hurt?
Thanks for giving me a good reason to voice my disdain with political correctness issues dealing with words and a person's feelings.
Now go make me a sammich!
Of course, you attempt to make it all about you or your feelings. So simple minded.
I don't care about your personal experiences. I don't care what you think. I don't care about all of that word vomit. There are rules for speech at work. There has always been rules and laws. There is nothing communist or blah, blah, blah, blah about those rules or laws.
Here it is in a nut shell, you can say whatever you want, but you don't get to dictate how people respond. This is what you want.
In the workplace, there are legal concerns as well as company rules.
If you insult someone, you don't get to say forget the law, forget the rules of the company. This is what you want. Be an adult, say what you want but accept the consequences.
This is freedom of speech, but not freedom from the responsibilty of that speech and how others respond.
I work with a bunch of guys, most of us are pretty unsophisticated. We have one woman in our dept so when she is in we behave but when she's not it's pretty much 1955 all over again. We rip each other for our ethnic background, pretty much anything goes. It's all in fun. We have one black guy in the dept with an Irish last name so we just give him crap about being Irish and that seems to make him happy. Everyone has to get their dose of harassment or they feel left out.
I thought most of people on this site are working adults.
Every working adult has gotten the diversity training thing at work.
Insulting someone's race, gender, age, religion, etc is against the law. It is not some minor issue. You can be considered a racist, sexist, xenophobe, etc and face legal issues.
It is usually against the rules of your employer. You can be fired or disciplined for that dumb shyt.
As an adult you can say whatever you want to say just be prepared for the consequences and how others will respond to what you said. This is common sense.
You wouldn't go up to your supervisor's or boss's or co-workers spouse and say b..ch you are ugly and when you were fired or disciplined complain about having free speech and how your punishment was proof of communism.
What the heck is wrong with someone's mind to be that distorted on this issue?
No, I've never done so. We have no public interface so we have no image to worry about. Also our bosses wouldn't care less. They say some of the worst things themselves anyway. Also, I don't care if my coworkers are pc or not. It's not a job requirement, and my motto at work is 'leave me alone so I can leave you alone.' So unless it directly slanders me I don't care what is said.
Therein lies EXACTLY the problem. Picking and choosing what's acceptable. You've decided that sexual innuendos are OK, but racial comments aren't? Not surprising that the line that is crossed is racial, in your mind. But comments towards women (I'm assuming, since you mention harassment) are OK.
I'm a manager, and i'm paid to pick and choose instead of being draconian about ALL speech OR allowing people to do and say whatever the hell they want. My job is to set the tone and parameters, and make sure that everyone stays within the guidelines. There are written rules in the SOP about workplace speech. My rules are much looser than what's in the SOP.
Secondly, i didn't say a damn thing about allowing comments "towards women." I said that certain sexual comments that are politically incorrect usually get by me because they're not offensive. Some of the women in my shop make these comments too. It's usually pretty harmless stuff that will cause most people to have no reaction stronger than eye rolling and a laugh. Like i said, i don't allow harassment or speech that would obviously offend people. Sometimes someone says something that would be over the line in another department, but not in ours because we're all pretty close and we've worked together for a few years.
That i would take a harder line on racial comments shouldn't surprise you if you have half a brain. That stuff is far more incendiary, and if it gets out of hand, you've got some serious problems. So of course, ANY manager with common sense would make sure that a hard line is drawn in the sand on those comments.
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Originally Posted by clb10
Interesting.
Why would one allow most bad speech but have a zero tolerance for race-based discussions?
Isn't any kind of "-ism" unacceptable?
Race based "discussions?" What in the hell is that supposed to mean?
Again, i never said that i allow "most bad speech." Are you equating race base discussions with bad speech? If so, then you're answering your own question.
I mean, it seems to me that you're saying that i should allow people to make racist statements on the job. Now why would i allow that? Personally, if you insult me with a racial comment intentionally, i'm sending teeth down your throat. So if i know that i'll do that myself, why would i expect someone else to behave any differently? You think i want a frickin' brawl on my hands in the workplace?
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Originally Posted by Mathguy
I think his point, which I agree with, is that there is a big difference between some guy talking about how hot beyonce's arse is or telling a joke about a rabbi, a bishop and a nun etc. and someone making hateful statements about other ethnic classes.
Basically, there is a scale of "politically incorrect" and there is a wide wide gulf between someone going all Mel Gibson and someone repeating a joke they heard from a comedian.
This.
I mean, i don't know what i said that was so difficult for those guys to understand.
I thought most of people on this site are working adults.
Every working adult has gotten the diversity training thing at work.
Insulting someone's race, gender, age, religion, etc is against the law. It is not some minor issue. You can be considered a racist, sexist, xenophobe, etc and face legal issues. I have yet to see someone convicted of being a racist, sexist, xenophobe, etc.
It is usually against the rules of your employer. You can be fired or disciplined for that dumb shyt. Good!
As an adult you can say whatever you want to say just be prepared for the consequences and how others will respond to what you said. This is common sense.
You wouldn't go up to your supervisor's or boss's or co-workers spouse and say b..ch you are ugly and when you were fired or disciplined complain about having free speech and how your punishment was proof of communism. Actually I've gone up to my boss, as well as called him on the phone and said far worse. Just like he has done the same with me. Funny, I don't believe there is an ounce of disrespect between me and him, and I am certain he views the situation the same way.
What the heck is wrong with someone's mind to be that distorted on this issue?
The post you just made is what is wrong with it. You, or some other gestapo get to dictate an ever changing set of values based on more and more people getting their feelings hurt over nonsense.
I never said I wasn't prepared to accept any consequences. I have voluntarily and willingly left jobs, after securing another rather than put up with this politically correct nonsense. I've worked at companies that have these pc diversity BS programs and seen how miserable the people there are. They always have to tip toe around certain people for fear of hurting their pathetic feelings. Personally I'll have none of that. You want it, great! Take it, have it, and embrace it. But know in your heart that the second those people aren't around your work environment, they cry and moan about you and every other plastic and fake person there; and I bet you do the same about them.
Maybe I am just fortunate that I don't have to work with people like you. Tell me something... Is it really displaying respect for another person when you can't say what is on your mind, or is it more respectful to say exactly what is on your mind knowing that they can and will do the same? Which do you think shows more genuine respect?
If you had any idea of some of the conversations I've had with my boss, his wife, or any other person that works for the same company, your panties would be in a bunch... permanently! You can have your fake, dishonest, panties all in a bunch, disrespectful because they cannot be honest corporate world.
The thing that bugs me most is you and others have been totally brainwashed into this politically correct nonsense world. I hope everyone also notices your attempt to ridicule someone who disagrees with your view on the subject.
Saul Alinsky's - Rules for Radicals Part 5
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
“…you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments.”
Move on... there's no Thoughtcrime here... there's no Newspeak here. Nothing to see here.
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That stuff is far more incendiary, and if it gets out of hand, you've got some serious problems. So of course, ANY manager with common sense would make sure that a hard line is drawn in the sand on those comments. 
