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Old 12-30-2012, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Not to mention, employees aren't forced to work for Hobby Lobby.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Insurance companies are private businesses. They shouldn't be forced to offer anything they don't want to.

If you believe in freedom of choice that is. End of story.

And so, it is good.

So you are saying that Hobby Lobby (or any other business) should be able to dictate what products and services their insurance provider offers?

Maybe Hobby Lobby should find a carrier that doesn't provide those particular products and services.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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hobby lobby isn't dictating anything to employees. One thing abortions are free at planned parenthood right now, plus a woman is free to go get birth control anywhere she pleases. Hobby lobby just doesn't want to pay for abortion and birth control. I really don't see the problem with that. As a woman myself, i can take responsibility for my behavior and go buy generic birth control myself or make my man use a condom. I don't think employers should be forced to pay for things they don't want to pay for. As a consumer, i don't want to be forced to pay for things i don't want. I believe in freedom. Most liberals don't believe in freedom.

Not to mention, employees aren't forced to work for hobby lobby.
No it is dictating and in terms of employment the employer has more power in this situation than the employee...the employee needs the money.

I mean no birth control, that is stupid there are other uses than contraception: http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2.../15/index.html

Pregancy itself is risky/dangerous even lifethreating to some women and on the case of down syndrom the odds increase with the age of the parents.

This is about controling the lives of women.

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Old 12-30-2012, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Insurance companies are private businesses. They shouldn't be forced to offer anything they don't want to.

If you believe in freedom of choice that is. End of story.

And so, it is good.
Usually the most "pro-choice" people are the most anti-choice when it comes to a private businesses determining their own policies.

Go figure.

Liberals are like women - a mystery.

The difference is that women have redeeming attributes.

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Old 12-30-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Columbus
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So you are saying that Hobby Lobby (or any other business) should be able to dictate what products and services their insurance provider offers?

Maybe Hobby Lobby should find a carrier that doesn't provide those particular products and services.
Hobby Lobby cannot dictate what an insurance company (or any business) offers. It's impossible.

Any deal between Hobby Lobby and an insurance company is a voluntary, private contract.

Any third party that interferes in that contract is violating the rights of Hobby Lobby and said insurance company.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:30 PM
 
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So you are saying that Hobby Lobby (or any other business) should be able to dictate what products and services their insurance provider offers?

Maybe Hobby Lobby should find a carrier that doesn't provide those particular products and services.
They are already forced to by federal law. IMHO is fair because this isn't about personal morality this is about forcing someone's view of morality on another person's body.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:36 PM
 
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Yes because I need mediocre fried chicken and cheap Chinese crap on the Lord's day.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:38 PM
 
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The government is not going after business practices that may have a religious rationale. They are enforcing parts of the health care law.

A different business could similarly refuse to cover birth control for their employees with no religious reason given, maybe just because the owners don't feel like it. That business would be under threat of penalties just as much as Hobby Lobby is. Religion isn't the issue. Failing to follow the health care law is.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:44 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Based on the administration's anti-religious stance regarding Hobby Lobby covering abortion on its insurance coverage...

should the administration tell them when they can and can't be open - since it's for "religious" reasons that they are closed on Sunday?
A business can do what ever it wants, but it is a business and not the Holy Sanctified Church of Hobby Lobby, there for, it does not get religious exemption for offering birth control. they knew that when they incorporated.

Most stores are closed or have shortened hours on Sunday because they know alot of people go to church, have family dinners and get together to watch football on that day.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:51 PM
 
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Based on the administration's anti-religious stance regarding Hobby Lobby covering abortion on its insurance coverage...

should the administration tell them when they can and can't be open - since it's for "religious" reasons that they are closed on Sunday?
Of course not. Moreover, if they wanted to be open ONLY on Sunday, that is their business. It is time to tell Uncle Sam to "stuff it".
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